Xenofobe FE "request"

[Iacs]

I was playing my first game and i was playing it to be quite long (normal dificulty, it's my first Stellaris game). After stopping Prethoryn Swarm crisis only to find out 20 years later that Materialist FE avoke to stop already stopped crisis, I desided to cause War in Heaven. Selected way was simple - attack Xenophobe FE (Pious Greenpeace space elves do it simple - send in the Dragon and then send in battleships with war cry "They hurt poor defenceless baby dragon!")

I crashed their fleet and took 4 of their 6 planets. And just after war ended i got this message

Does FE understand that they are calling to purge their own citizens?

 

[PirateJack]

Better to be dead than suffer under xenos scum.

 

[Angelic_Daemon]

The best part is you can recolonize the world, provided they don't fall in there borders after the cleansing. Also you won't get a genocide malus. Unless you need that happiness and influence from the humiliated I'd take it.

 

[Fourthspartan56]

I wouldn't be surprised, they could easily view them as race species traitors

 

[Iacs]

The best part is you can recolonize the world, provided they don't fall in there borders after the cleansing. Also you won't get a genocide malus. Unless you need that happiness and influence from the humiliated I'd take it.

I need happiness. And influence is also good. Yes, our empire new citizens are problematic, but nothing Fanatic Spiritualist Trancended Empire -50% ethic divirgence can't eventually fix)

P.S. Minor correction - reloaded and won against FE when Materialist has not awoken as guardian yet - more chance for War in Heaven. May be...

 

[Pchang]

Unfortunately, you cannot trigger a war in heaven that way. They either wake up on their own or not. Guardian of the galaxy awakening does not contribute to War in Heaven.

 

[Iacs]

I suspected this. Means that materialist is out in the War way. Let's hope that Spiritualist or Xenophile will do the deed, I have good relations with both.

 

[Topias]

Does that look like the face of mercy to you?

 

[Wolfgang I]

The funny thing is that AI empires accept that demand even if it's their last planet which makes small empires bordering such an FE vanish. Just today I was thinking... Hmm where did that tiny tributary go.

 

[Iacs]

Strategy I have chosen worked. Very soon after conquest of two thirds of Xenophobe FE it happened! Spiritualist Fallen Empire finally avoke! I think it was not Xenophile one because it along with me were doing some Plant Punching Round Two - sinchroneous tearing apart very unplesant agressive slaving plantoid megacorporation. Congratulate me - i am now dominion of Fallen Empire (one of the three still existing - after 10 year thruce i finally conquered Mathin Remnant's remnant). I have seen my first Titan! And measured it's raw firepower with my little dragon (dragon won - 16k vs 11k).

Soon we will be going to War in Heaven against filthy Materialists!

However, not everything is ideal. Tax is ok, switching xenophile for collectivist is a bit strange, but ok. Problem is in goverment change - i was alredy Transcended Empire and downgraded to Divine Mandate. It will take me 20 years and 250 influence to return. I think developers should look at the problem - if you become FE dominion and have access to Advanced Goverment Form, you should not degrade to Divine Mandate, instead you should become Transcendent Empire if you were not it already. It very much looks like a bug.

And because i lost all my protectorates, gaining this 250 will not be easy, not mentioning 20 year wait.

 

[Rock Lord]

They've been irreversibly contaminated by filthy xenos primitives.

 

[Notho]

For some reason, I love it when any cuties are xenophobes. Especially the starfish.

 

[The Founder]

After stopping Prethoryn Swarm crisis only to find out 20 years later that Materialist FE avoke to stop already stopped crisis, I desided to cause War in Heaven.

You will not be able to cause a WiH.
Guardian Awakening locks out normal Awakening.

And normal Awakening is a requirement to have even a chance to trigger a war in heaven (the chance is rolled during the Awakening itself).
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Fallen_empire#War_in_Heaven

This is not actually a Diplomatic AI decision, but is based on one of the scripts in the Fallen Empires Event file.
The script that is doing that decision making/the planet validity checks needs some serious upgrades for other reasons too:

For example a new civilisation might reach FTL age within thier "you are to close" zone.
The FE will diplomatically ask for them to abandon thier home planet and thier only planet.
And hilariously the new Civilisation will usually accept that, killing themself in the process.

 

[Iacs]

Normal Awakening already happened! Spiritalists have avoken, i agreed to become their subject and now we will go to War in Heaven! Than i have only to crack that big black sphere orbiting black hole and i vill consider my first game done. I have got a dragon, a have defeated FE, i would have fought in War in Heaven... Conquering all the galaxy was never in my goals. It is too long...

 

[Iacs]

My Life as a dominion of FE continues. It is 10 years since awakening now, still no War. But i was gifted a planet! It's pretty smal planet taken from tiny federation I allowed to live in my "underbelly". But it is still a planet! Such good overlord!

I think i will wate few years, hope for second Awakening and if it would not happen i would simply conquer Materialist FE. 5 ringworld sections in twi systems - quite a prize. And then possibly GG? Or may be wait for theese two half finished Gaia terramorfing?

 

[Iacs]

Just won my freedom, i am no longer dominion! No more taxes! Elves are free from doctrinal enforcement

P.S. Uqo'Praknar's are still moving their ears funny way.

 

[Rock Lord]

Does freeing yourself from being an Awakened Empire Dominion let you get your old ethics back?

 

[The Founder]

Does freeing yourself from being an Awakened Empire Dominion let you get your old ethics back?

There is currently no known way to change your Ethics. Another long awaited change with 1.5

 

[Rock Lord]

There is currently no known way to change your Ethics. Another long awaited change with 1.5

Doesn't becoming a Spiritualist Awakened Empire's Dominion forcibly change your ethics to Spiritualist/Collective and your government to Divine Mandate?

 

[The Founder]

Doesn't becoming a Spiritualist Awakened Empire's Dominion forcibly change your ethics to Spiritualist/Collective and your government to Divine Mandate?

It does. But I doubt you can return to how it was.
If you wanted to return to how it was, the game would have to save your Ethics into Flags as you become the Vassal. Wich - afaik - it does not do.