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Vote Yakman, tie now?
Although I am not sure that the case for either one of them makes sense!
Not a lot of thought has gone into todays voting its true, I would rather not see Nautilu lynched today but if thats the will of the village then so be it, we have plenty of time to win this game
 

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I am back temporarily, my plans are a bit in flux today.

We lose a day of parity if we have a tie between 2 villagers today. There are 9 players and 2 wolves, right? If two villager die every day we have 3 more days to parity; if we get to 6 villagers and 2 wolves we only have 2 days. I highly recommend no tie.
 

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Dude... you really have it out for me don't you? I mean it is almost 4 games in a row that you are attacking me.... why:confused:

Also two quick things. I do not think I am clear by no means, but as marty99 mentioned I am not a good suspect at this point. Remember who broke Nautilus tie yesterday.... On the other hand I find it very difficult to believe that Nau would tie a villager to his packmate... that usually brings rather nasty discussions out and even nastier results.

I'm not 'attacking' you, sbr requested I do an analysis of Xarkan's wolf-analysis and your name was a somewhat surprising result. I didn't really expect you to be a suspect because of your vote the other day, but Xarkan's own voting of Sid kinda proves wolves are certainly willing to throw packmates under the bus this game.

In any case, I applied the following principles to Xarkan's post:

* He would not suggest running up a wolf.
* He would not provide a lot of details in his analysis of any wolf other than himself.
* His analysis on wolves would be wishy-washy. He wouldn't overty go with either side.

Now, many of the posts fell into the third catagory, but they were canceled out by the suggestion of a running up. What stood out was he didn't suggest you be run up despire making that same suggestion for others who fit the same criteria.

This analysis leads me to believe that the best wolf candidates are you, Nautilu and sbr.

Looking back through the history of the game, I'm not seeing a lot of analysis from you Split, mostly just posts that kinda say "Look at me I'm not hiding in the shadows!" but without really adding much information. So, like I requested of Xarkan the other day to provide more explanation, I think it would be worthwhile for you to provide us with a full village analysis.

Are you up to the task?
 

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I NEVER provide an analysis for the full village, it is useless, subjective and frankly a waste of time. I do point up when I think the behavior is suspicious and why thought....
 

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We need a big bandwagon one someone so I can use this in context

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I NEVER provide an analysis for the full village, it is useless, subjective and frankly a waste of time. I do point up when I think the behavior is suspicious and why thought....

What do you have to hide? Afraid you'll give information on your packmate away?

I don't think asking for real analysis from you is too much to ask. Lots of other people alive today have stuck their necks out with analysis and guesses - I think it's time you played along and stopped "hiding in plain sight".

UNVOTE Yakman
VOTE SPLIT
 

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thank you.

running me up isn't going to get the village anything. no one is going to try to save me as I am a simple villager.

let's get nautilu or THE_SPLIT.
 

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Why is Torn still being ignored? Did I miss something that cleared him? IMO he is still one of, if not the most suspicious person out there.

In my opinion, bandwagon SPLIT until he decides to give the information asked for. If he complies, then sure switch to Torn or whatever.
 

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What do you have to hide? Afraid you'll give information on your packmate away?

I don't think asking for real analysis from you is too much to ask. Lots of other people alive today have stuck their necks out with analysis and guesses - I think it's time you played along and stopped "hiding in plain sight".

UNVOTE Yakman
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Can you explain to me what I am hiding? I already mentioned to you why Nau is a bad lynch (post 416) and I prevented a tie of a wolf with an unknown most likely villager player (post 338).

Go back and look at about 20-30 of my previous game, and point me to one single where I did a full village analysis, this is not my style and I find the usefulness of it to be about 0, which ironically is as much as the usefulness of your "Xeno theorem"
 

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Can you explain to me what I am hiding? I already mentioned to you why Nau is a bad lynch (post 416) and I prevented a tie of a wolf with an unknown most likely villager player (post 338).

Go back and look at about 20-30 of my previous game, and point me to one single where I did a full village analysis, this is not my style and I find the usefulness of it to be about 0, which ironically is as much as the usefulness of your "Xeno theorem"

I agree, it is still a hair too early for a real "analysis" of everyone; with nine players and 4 voting rounds there is not enough info on too many people to make it worthwhile. Tomorrow is the earliest I think anything like that would be worth the time that one had to put into it.

It would still be worth more than the Xeno theory though.
 

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What about Yakman? He seems odd.
And yesh, those guys make good suspects. And I would have expected more bullsh from you if you were evil, But I could be wrong.

I just caught this post. Yakman always seems odd. I just can't see how a wolf makes the vote he did on the first day unless he was completely clueless about the deadline or the vote count. I have no reason to think that little of Yakman so far in the limited amout we have played together. Everything else he has done this game seems "normal".

Nautilu should never have been dropped from the suspect list IMO

^^ Yoo betcha.
 

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Can you explain to me what I am hiding? I already mentioned to you why Nau is a bad lynch (post 416) and I prevented a tie of a wolf with an unknown most likely villager player (post 338).

Go back and look at about 20-30 of my previous game, and point me to one single where I did a full village analysis, this is not my style and I find the usefulness of it to be about 0, which ironically is as much as the usefulness of your "Xeno theorem"

Do I care if it's your style? This is an interrogation technique to get more information. As a rule, I think it's a good idea to pick a few people here and there and drive some real thinking out of them. Wolves tend to try not to say anything of substance because they fear they might give things away about their pack, so they would be reluctant to give in... like you are being.

If you are a villager, it doesn't help the village to provide a deeper opinion either.

Unfortunately, it appears the rest of the village disagrees with this technique and is not willing to put any pressure on you. I guess too many people are used to just sitting quietly hoping the JL will swoop in and do the work for them. I don't like to play that way, I like to try to find information on my own.
 

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Why is Cymsdale cleared again?
 

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Why is Cymsdale cleared again?

Day one he made a late vote on Sid to put him into a tie for the lead, helping to kill Sid. Of course he was one of the other targets so he doesn't get much from that vote.

94 walrus - nautilu(3)-->cyms(1)
95 nautilu - jester(0)-->cyms(2)
96 aok - nautilu(2)-->cyms(3)
103 Xarkan - jonti(0)-->walrus(5)
118 walrus - cyms(2)-->sid(3)
119 cyms - walrus(4)-->sid(4)
120 Xarkan - walrus(3)-->sid(5)
121 yak - split(0)-->cyms(3)


Day 3 he made a late-ish vote to put Xarkan in front of marty and in the voting lead. The next vote by Split made a tie between Xarkan and Torn. AOK broke that tie and Zarkan led the rest of the way to the finish.

304 Xarkan - aok(2)-->torn(3)
305 split - marty(3)
307 cyms - aok(1)-->Xarkan(4)
310 split - marty(2)-->torn(4)
321 aok - torn(3)-->Xarkan(5)
322 jester - xarkan(6)
328 sbr - marty(1)-->torn(4)
337 nautilu - xarkan(5)-->torn(5)
338 split - torn(4)-->xarkan(6)
339 walrus - marty(0)-->torn(5)

It is a decent resume, but not ironclad by any means. Especially since I have a feeling there was a very cold-blooded pack killer in this game.