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Is any of your issue with these commie women something to do with you just couldn't bring them home to meet your family? Something just too unconventional or silly by Danish mores?
I don't have anything against them as persons---I just what they are letting out of their mouthes is useless drivel at best and dangerous ideas at worst.
Also in case you meant Vestager then she is from B and hence a social liberal---i.e. one of those who wants to open the floodgates and just let in countless migrants.:mad: Good thing B was booted from the government offices last June.
And if I actually presented a commie girl to my family nobody would say anything; though perhaps find it a bit strange due to not thinking it ever would hold. (Although there still are some people alive who remembers/participated in the commie bashings of old.)
 

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I don't have anything against them as persons---I just what they are letting out of their mouthes is useless drivel at best and dangerous ideas at worst.
Also in case you meant Vestager then she is from B and hence a social liberal---i.e. one of those who wants to open the floodgates and just let in countless migrants.:mad: Good thing B was booted from the government offices last June.
And if I actually presented a commie girl to my family nobody would say anything; though perhaps find it a bit strange due to not thinking it ever would hold. (Although there still are some people alive who remembers/participated in the commie bashings of old.)

Do you think they would welcome the thought of grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc, running around talking about how the machinery of capitalism is oiled with the blood of the workers?
 

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Do you think they would welcome the thought of grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc, running around talking about how the machinery of capitalism is oiled with the blood of the workers?
Due to family being one of the most important things in life (which my entire family agrees on) I am pretty sure people would accept it although find it braindead and possibly ask the parents what went wrong. Although there is a commie in some distant branch---not sure if I have ever met him though, since he is considered a black sheep.
 

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Not everything I say is sarcastic.

Was that sarcastic?

I am pretty sure it is true. Students of course have student work (not sure if that can be called part time), but there aren't that many students. And parents have 52 weeks of maternity leave to share between them, although in most cases the mother takes everything except the 2 weeks earmarked for the father---which is the main reason there still is a wage gap, since if you aren't there for the yearly raise conversation with management then you lose out on getting a raise that year and will lag behind other people. Similarly with pensions.
So people don't want to work during the maternity leave given that it is fully paid---also you can't be fired for being on maternity leave meaning that if you are fired while being on it management needs to provide a genuine reason for firing you.
Seasonal workers don't really exist unless you are thinking of those Poles/Romanians coming for two weeks a year to pick strawberries---those aren't working part time though, but full time (if not more).
Pretty sure that most retirement age people either work full time or is on pensions---if they feel like needing something to do there is always voluntary work which many retirees do.
Don't know about musicians and artists, though at least the ones I know have full time jobs and then only are musicians/artists on the side. And professionals obviously aren't working part time.

Disabled people and people recovering from injuries on the other hand are working part time---at least to some degree. I think, but might be wrong, that they are the ones mainly working part time.

Which would be very old fashioned if all of that was true. In the case of maternity/paternity leave for example, you're right that taking a year off gets people behind on the career ladder. And it also lets their skills and connections lapse. Which is why I can see two people from my desk who could have taken longer maternity/paternity leave, but instead reduced hours to 3 days a week. They get to take it easier, spend time with their babies, while also maintaining skills and career path. Not to mention they actually want to work, because they'd go crazy without the structure and stuff to do. It would be very easy for them to extend their hours in the future back to full time.

For musicians, what happens when they have a gig? When do they practise and write new material? Part time work gives them flexibility, particularly in service jobs they can swap shifts for if they're out of town. There's also a very big gap beteeen completely amateur and completely professional - a friend of mine is in a band selling out big shows and touring the likes of the US and UK, but at best that pays for itself. It's seen as an investment in possible future income and a brilliant experience, and when he's home he picks up what hours he can in a cafe to help get by right now.

An example of seasonal workers are the ski bunnies who work part time as instructors here during our winter and in Canada during theirs, getting accommodation and easy access to the slopes. Or people on working holidays, doing bits and pieces around the country while seeing the sights.

The elderly could and do volunteer, but if they can get paid hours as consultants in highly skilled roles why not? Or keep doing their old job, but take it easier.

As for students, I'd guess around 3% of the entire NZ population are current university students. It's a big chunk.

The classic 9 to 5 doesn't work for most. I've had my share of odd hours. More than half of adults here don't do 30 hours a week, and about a quarter of those in the workforce don't. People like choice rather than cookie cutter positions and expectations.
 

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Which would be very old fashioned if all of that was true. In the case of maternity/paternity leave for example, you're right that taking a year off gets people behind on the career ladder. And it also lets their skills and connections lapse. Which is why I can see two people from my desk who could have taken longer maternity/paternity leave, but instead reduced hours to 3 days a week. They get to take it easier, spend time with their babies, while also maintaining skills and career path. Not to mention they actually want to work, because they'd go crazy without the structure and stuff to do. It would be very easy for them to extend their hours in the future back to full time.

For musicians, what happens when they have a gig? When do they practise and write new material? Part time work gives them flexibility, particularly in service jobs they can swap shifts for if they're out of town. There's also a very big gap beteeen completely amateur and completely professional - a friend of mine is in a band selling out big shows and touring the likes of the US and UK, but at best that pays for itself. It's seen as an investment in possible future income and a brilliant experience, and when he's home he picks up what hours he can in a cafe to help get by right now.

An example of seasonal workers are the ski bunnies who work part time as instructors here during our winter and in Canada during theirs, getting accommodation and easy access to the slopes. Or people on working holidays, doing bits and pieces around the country while seeing the sights.

The elderly could and do volunteer, but if they can get paid hours as consultants in highly skilled roles why not? Or keep doing their old job, but take it easier.

As for students, I'd guess around 3% of the entire NZ population are current university students. It's a big chunk.

The classic 9 to 5 doesn't work for most. I've had my share of odd hours. More than half of adults here don't do 30 hours a week, and about a quarter of those in the workforce don't. People like choice rather than cookie cutter positions and expectations.
I am pretty sure it is true.
With regard to maternity leave then nobody works during it. In fact the left are talking about making fathers work less by earmarking more to them (that is a way the left things will lessen the wage gap). And as maternity leave has gotten longer and longer so has the recommendations for breastfeeding. These days mothers are expected to breastfeed for half a year.
I am not even sure you can find a daycare for children under 6 months anymore, though there probably are solutions.

With regard to musicians then you have a point that there is a large gap between amateurs and professionals. The ones I know practices after work/in weekends. Their gigs also are in the evenings. Don't know what the people in between do. Though I have a hard time seeing them working at cafes and such, since wages in general are really high so most such places prefer full time staff. And shops generally have youth workers for most positions, since they are much cheaper. Most youth workers literally have a clause in their contracts stating they will be terminated the day they turn 18 due to how their wage otherwise would rise considerably.

We don't have that kind of seasonal workers. The closest I can think of are the amusement parks, but those are staffed by full time workers (like that princess in Legoland). Although they also employ some youth workers---although when they employ most of those (in the Summer) there is vacation so I would presume most of the children are working full time, but not completely sure on that.

Well some elderly step down gradually, but most just go directly from full time to retirement. And with retirement age gradually getting increased (it is not implausible that I first will get to retire around the age of 80; for my parents it is around the age of 75) I doubt more people will want to spend additional time on the work market.

I don't know how big a part of the population are university students. Though 3% doesn't seem too wrong. Although many are just living on the student wage. (Don't know if they should be counted, since technically they are "working" full time.)

And I would say the classic 8-16 is still the most prevalent. Though people are getting more and more flexible and working more loose hours and also working from home. That actually has the opposite effect of NZ though. That means that many people are working more than 37 hours due to it and there is a general problem of people never being off work, since they at all times are expected (or think they are) to check work emails and similar stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised if that flex time where you just arrive at work when you want to and leave when you want to (as long as you do at least 37 hours a week on average) at some point gets added to an extended version of flexicurity.

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Just be glad this isn't last council. When signups closed in that one we were around page 80. On one of the first days over 50 pages were posted---i.e. more than 1000 posts. Hence why it was called the day of a thousand posts.

Spoken like a true conservative. How can ideas be dangerous?
You don't think that ideas like abolishing private property are dangerous?
(Also ideas like clearing Eastern Europe of Untermenschen obviously are dangerous too, though granted those weren't commie ideas.)
 

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Just be glad this isn't last council. When signups closed in that one we were around page 80. On one of the first days over 50 pages were posted---i.e. more than 1000 posts. Hence why it was called the day of a thousand posts.

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If this is the norm nowadays, then I think it's better if I don't play WW anymore.
For me WW is dead now.
 

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If this is the norm nowadays, then I think it's better if I don't play WW anymore.
For me WW is dead now.
Last council was a one of---and it was almost 2 years ago.
It had almost 60 players and everybody agreed that the spam was excessive. Look at the list of longest games. Bar I5s game from a year ago which had 65 players no game has come even close to overtaking last council as the longest game ever.

Most bigs these days are only around 60 pages long. So don't quit. Hadn't you already played a few bigs after you returned? If so then their length most likely is representative. Don't use Last Council as a yardstick. I just mentioned it to show that things have been much, much worse.

And while it is fun to refer to that day of a thousand posts was insane and you literally wouldn't read and respond to the thread fast enough. If you made a post when you had got to the end of the thread it would already have progressed at least a page and more likely 2 when you posted. It was utter madness and I frankly am happy it was a one of.
 

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Last council was a one of---and it was almost 2 years ago.
It had almost 60 players and everybody agreed that the spam was excessive. Look at the list of longest games. Bar I5s game from a year ago which had 65 players no game has come even close to overtaking last council as the longest game ever.

Most bigs these days are only around 60 pages long. So don't quit. Hadn't you already played a few bigs after you returned? If so then their length most likely is representative. Don't use Last Council as a yardstick. I just mentioned it to show that things have been much, much worse.

And while it is fun to refer to that day of a thousand posts was insane and you literally wouldn't read and respond to the thread fast enough. If you made a post when you had got to the end of the thread it would already have progressed at least a page and more likely 2 when you posted. It was utter madness and I frankly am happy it was a one of.

FYI my norm is the amount of spam (=not game related posts) in this thread.
I consider that still way too excessive.

For not game related posts there is a (OOC) bar.
Please use that thread.
 

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FYI my norm is the amount of spam (=not game related posts) in this thread.
I consider that still way too excessive.

For not game related posts there is a (OOC) bar.
Please use that thread.
The spam in this thread also isn't the norm. The reason for it most likely being the long signup. Spam generally tends to decrease significantly when the game actually starts. SO don't quit just because of this.
Look at the lite for instance. That is at day 5 and only has 29 pages---lites used to be 50 pages regularly around 2 years ago.

Aso I will take spam discussions to the bar now.
 

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You don't think that ideas like abolishing private property are dangerous?
(Also ideas like clearing Eastern Europe of Untermenschen obviously are dangerous too, though granted those weren't commie ideas.)

Ideas are only dangerous when they get mixed with stupid people.
 

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Here Here. Texas is not part of the South, nor any other geocultural region. Parts might resemble said geocultural regions, but Texas is much more of a distinct geocultural region unto itself than being within any other.
It's in the Southwest region, I think, but that basically just means Texas.

Also, it's "hear hear", I think.
I always read aedan's remarks as a sarcastic monotone, so the "here here" really fell flat for me.
Same.

I know, but I still read it in that tone. I'm not sure I've read you as jubilant very often, for instance. However, I often read al-Aziz' or Happycats' posts that way. I imagine Wagon as a somewhat boring person to listen to long term, for instance, although I guess in my head that's mostly the subject matter discussed.
Oh gosh, I'm being read as jubilant! How nice.

How do you read me when I'm obviously being sarcastic, Rovsea?

I, too, read Wagonlitz as someone extremely fascinated by extremely niche topics.
Primary sector = agriculture
Secondary sector = factories and the like
Tertiary sector = service sector
Quaternary&quinary sector = no idea what Aziz means, but you get the point.
Aye, thanks.

Quarternary means jobs dealing with information and money activites, e.g. secretary or computer programmer.
Quinary means jobs dealing with higher-level reasoning and decision-making skills.
Both technically go under tertiary.
What about things like innovation and other high education jobs? That isn't really service sector, but also isn't factory.
Hopefully I've answered your question sufficiently above.

Oh, and core means "more developed". Basically, the countries that have consumer-based economies like the US, the UK, and so on. It's a part of Wallerstein's World Systems Theory, which states that:
1) All interactions occur in the context of the world economy;
2) There is a global divison of labor;
3) There are three categories of countries: the core, the semi-periphery, and the periphery. The core exploits the semi-periphery and the periphery, the semi-periphery is exploited by the core and exploits the periphery, and the periphery is exploited by the core and the semi-periphery.
 

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Oh gosh, I'm being read as jubilant! How nice.

How do you read me when I'm obviously being sarcastic, Rovsea?

I, too, read Wagonlitz as someone extremely fascinated by extremely niche topics.
Primarily I read you as somebody with perhaps a shade too much energy. So when you're sarcastic I imagine a small angry person saying something really bitterly. Not sure how accurate that is. *shrugs*
 

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It's in the Southwest region, I think, but that basically just means Texas.
The southwest isn't a geocultural region though, just a geographic region. The southwest is generally understood to be the states bordering Mexico (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas) but they share so little culturally, it makes no sense to make comments about "Southwesterners" in the same way one might describe Southerners or New Englanders.
Also, it's "hear hear", I think.
Homophones.
 

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Primarily I read you as somebody with perhaps a shade too much energy. So when you're sarcastic I imagine a small angry person saying something really bitterly. Not sure how accurate that is. *shrugs*
It's probably very accurate. I don't know. I do have a shade too much energy! It's weird.

The southwest isn't a geocultural region though, just a geographic region. The southwest is generally understood to be the states bordering Mexico (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas) but they share so little culturally, it makes no sense to make comments about "Southwesterners" in the same way one might describe Southerners or New Englanders.
The Southwest is a perceptual region:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7b/9a/ae/7b9aae8b0ebba637d3415d029e696d86.jpg[/URL]

The above is a map of vernacular regions, which are based on the frequency of using certain names for things or by interviews with locals. Texas is shown to be a bit of a medley but mostly Southwest.
 

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I know, but I still read it in that tone. I'm not sure I've read you as jubilant very often, for instance. However, I often read al-Aziz' or Happycats' posts that way. I imagine Wagon as a somewhat boring person to listen to long term, for instance, although I guess in my head that's mostly the subject matter discussed.

You read me as jubilant?
 

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It's probably very accurate. I don't know. I do have a shade too much energy! It's weird.


The Southwest is a perceptual region:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7b/9a/ae/7b9aae8b0ebba637d3415d029e696d86.jpg[/url]

The above is a map of vernacular regions, which are based on the frequency of using certain names for things or by interviews with locals. Texas is shown to be a bit of a medley but mostly Southwest.
If you want to try to shove Texans into a meaningless perceptual region, sure. But most Texans think of themselves as Texans far before any larger region.