Ww2 - Wft?

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Situaton: Playing as japan, annected all the chineese states (allready in '39), staying on the indian and french-indochina border with strong forces (about 6x3 Cav and 6x3 Inf + HQ - all very high level) and waiting for an "event". Also 4 Interceptors, 4 Figthers, 5 Naval bombers and 5 Tac Bombers - all top level. The first Super Heavy BS allready built, the next 3 are coming serial.

Reserves: strong forces on russian border (Korea & Machuko) - at least 3 Inf on every border territory, + about 2x3 Tanks, 3x3 Inf, 4x3 Cavs staying ready behind the borders. I feel quiet confident going into war either with Russia or F&UK (eventually +USA, but with USA, I have good relations).

The only international events yet: Italy annected Etiopia, Hungary got some transilvanian territories back and Russia took control over the baltic states. Nothing more and it's '41! No war between Germany & France/UK or Russia! Nothing?

If Germany would attack France, I would go immediatly for it's (and UK's) territories in asia. But nothing! If the german-russian war begins, I would also immediatly attack Russia from all sides (but of course then forgeting France & UK). Even Poland is untached! WTF is going on? Japan is the only one, who was in war for a short time? This should be the WW2?

I even guarantied Germany's territory, to have casus belli for a war. Was it actually a good idea?

Should I DOW on F & UK alone? I allready have only 3 states (Germany, Siam & USA), having positiv relation (both +50) after my chinesse war and annexations. The rest of the world hates me.

Any advices?

Thanks,
cumi

 

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Load up as Germany and DoW on whoever you feel like. That should make things start rolling

 

[Jayavarman]

So Germany did not get Anschluss, Sudetenland, remilitarization, etc. events? What are your game settings? My guess is perhaps event flukes where the AI chose the alternate choices.

 

[mic-dk]

The only international events yet: Italy annected Etiopia, Hungary got some transilvanian territories back and Russia took control over the baltic states. Nothing more and it's '41! No war between Germany & France/UK or Russia! Nothing?

Well, wierd things happen. I tried a US game last week, where Japan backed down from attacking Nat. Chi, Hungary successfully claimed slovakia before the sudenten event and cz fought the germans beyond the Danzig event so it never fired...

Luckily cz joined the allies right before they were annexed, Germany had a tough time against the poles but they finally overcame France in '41 (never attacked .dk & .no)
In '40 I got tired of waiting, loaded as Japan, DOW on Nat.Chi and then things started rolling I have a savegame in late 42 where Germany is moving in on USSR but haven't played it yet.

So... The eventchains can become a bit off from time to time.

 

[Grosshaus]

The game is not supposed to be a book about history, but a game allowing alternate histories to be played.

 

[EWThreat]

I would say it is a fluke, which is a good thing, as it shows that different things can happen

 

[bwyb00]

In my last game as belgium, Austria joined the Axes instead of being absorbed by anschluss. Czekoslovakia gave sudetenland and and was not dowed or absorbed by germany after that. Poland was not dowed either and gave some territories to Germany too... Even Albania and Finland where still there without any troubles for them. The allied only entered in war against Japan with the Pearl Harbor event. In 1945 the furher was still living in peace with its kind neighbours and 0 belligerence. I gave up there because I had only prepared my country to try resisting against Germany, not for a war in the Pacific.
I'd like to now the probability to have a game going that way.

 

[EWThreat]

probably very f-ing low, however i see that as the beauty of the game, if it really annoys you as you know you can just load up as germany and invade Belgium.

 

[unmerged(48743)]

What are your game settings?

I think, in the beginning of the scenario there is an option to set, how aggressive the AI should be. On the skala from 1...5, I choose 2, so a bit less aggressive than normal (5 is the most aggressive)...

 

[bwyb00]

But this Germany must be a monster, they had nearly 10 years to build their armies with something like 250 IC and the best tech teams around.
Maybe what I'll do is reload a 1939 savegame and hope this time Germany dow poland.
On another hand, I may consider i have win, its 1945 and Belgium survived

And for you Cumi, what about joining the axis before declaring war on France yourself? Could it work? Of course the problem could be the USA joining the Allies at once.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

You can always edit the Germany and associated events in \db\events to force single choices on the events that will automatically happen and which will cause WW2 in Europe to start over Danzig.

You need to edit Germany, Austria, Czech, Poland, and USSR files. Make a backup copy first.

If the German AI does not get the historic events, it's pretty much screwed and WW2 in Europe might never start.

 

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In my MP game where I'm playing USA and my pal is USSR we're in '38 and Germany-CZ went to war, then the Allies jumped on Germany's back. Poland is sitting pretty. WW II a whole year early. Facinating.

 

[bwyb00]

To answer my own question, there is 3 percents chance the WWII never start and the answer is all in the austria event file.
If austria choose too join the axis instead of anshluss, the 2040 event from Germany is sleeped (end of czechoslovalia). Without this event, the event 3401 from UK (support to poland) never fire, and without this, none of the two possible events "Danzig or war" (with or without UK support) will be triggered. This last point is probably a bug, the trigger conditions are badly defined.
Too resume, if Austria is not absorbed but choose to be in the Axes with germany, the WWII will never start... quite annoying in a wargame.

 

[Alexander Seil]

To answer my own question, there is 3 percents chance the WWII never start and the answer is all in the austria event file.
If austria choose too join the axis instead of anshluss, the 2040 event from Germany is sleeped (end of czechoslovalia). Without this event, the event 3401 from UK (support to poland) never fire, and without this, none of the two possible events "Danzig or war" (with or without UK support) will be triggered. This last point is probably a bug, the trigger conditions are badly defined.
Too resume, if Austria is not absorbed but choose to be in the Axes with germany, the WWII will never start... quite annoying in a wargame.

Well, that ensures that WW2 won't start historically. I don't see how that prevents a World War centered on the Pacific, or a situation where USSR AI goes on a rampage in absence of a German threat. Or, say, Germany going to war later in the 1940s (hell, you've got until 1947). Quite frankly, I don't find the actual WW2 to be all that interesting to begin with (what's the great joy of seeing Poland overrun in Sept. 1939 OVER AND OVER?) and see no big deal when things turn out completely different.

 

[Vulture]

The game is not supposed to be a book about history, but a game allowing alternate histories to be played.

Correct, said it before, he who wants a historical simulation has picked the wrong game Read a book

 

[bwyb00]

You can always edit the Germany and associated events in \db\events to force single choices on the events that will automatically happen and which will cause WW2 in Europe to start over Danzig.

You need to edit Germany, Austria, Czech, Poland, and USSR files. Make a backup copy first.

If the German AI does not get the historic events, it's pretty much screwed and WW2 in Europe might never start.

And I was precisely seeking in the event files when you where writting this.
I like the non-historic possibility, but the fact none of the two "Danzig or War" event happends looks more like an accident than a deliberate choice of the coders.

 

[Alexander Seil]

I am very much against any comparisons with history books. I find it downright offensive that this advice - "read a book" is used so often in connection with Paradox games. This isn't Civilization, after all, but a rather sophisticated geopolitical simulator, maybe the most sophisticated (and perhaps the only really working) example of the sort. What I find equally offensive is that a good number of people believe that a simulator somehow is bound to produce a "historical" outcome, which is complete nonsense. All it has to do is simulate starting and constraining conditions and let loose the dice. HoI2 does that better than any other game I know of. Most of the outcomes I encountered, barring obvious AI problems, were plausible and, once more, the hallmark of any great wargame is flexibility and capacity to simulate what-ifs. Otherwise, in fact, I would go and read a history book.

 

[Blodwen]

With so many guarantees throughout the world, I dont know how you've failed to start a war yet. Declare war on Bulgaria and you'll get a good war.

And also-

The first Super Heavy BS allready built

The 7 year old child in me laughed so hard at that.

 

[bwyb00]

I am very much against any comparisons with history books. I find it downright offensive that this advice - "read a book" is used so often in connection with Paradox games. This isn't Civilization, after all, but a rather sophisticated geopolitical simulator, maybe the most sophisticated (and perhaps the only really working) example of the sort. What I find equally offensive is that a good number of people believe that a simulator somehow is bound to produce a "historical" outcome, which is complete nonsense. All it has to do is simulate starting and constraining conditions and let loose the dice. HoI2 does that better than any other game I know of. Most of the outcomes I encountered, barring obvious AI problems, were plausible and, once more, the hallmark of any great wargame is flexibility and capacity to simulate what-ifs. Otherwise, in fact, I would go and read a history book.

Hum... I think when he said "read a book" he was defending the same point of view as yours... or maybe are you after me?

Once more, i didn't complain against the fact War did not started, I just constated that if it appends that way in my last game, it was because of a probable bug and not the clearly designed probability Poland choose "fold" in the "Danzing or War" event.

 

[unmerged(17664)]

The game is not supposed to be a book about history, but a game allowing alternate histories to be played.

Based on WW2 right? A book? Come on, thats just not justified. The original poster did not seem like he was bashing HOI2 only looking for answers or suggestions.

Telling someone to read a book in this situation makes you look very small.

I am sure many here have read volumes of books about WW2 and that is probably why they bought the game. I personally have read hundreds of books about WW2. The point of playing A war game is not to repeat history(though I judge myself against real world results) but to do better than history itself.