I see these videos as a sample. If it makes just a few people grow an interest and pursue deeper knowledge it's well invested money in my opinion
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WW2 The Resource War - III: The Engines of War by Extra History
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Great video! However, I have a question: in the video said that 90% of rubber was produced in Japan. Whereas in the WWW streams there was a lack of rubber in Japan! A British colony on the other hand had a huge surplus. Am I missing something? Maybe something I do not understand correctly?
Japan conquered the areas after pearl harbor in 1941/1942 which Daniel didn't play to.
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"Came overrun by Japanese"
Yeah! Just do not properly understand the video. Thanks for clarifying!
The intention is good, but funding misinformation, not samples or expositions of facts, theories and true informations is quite harming if you're aiming for deeper knowledge. Supporting misinformation, myths and history distortion is a way only to spread those things, instead of inspiring people to seek more fact true knowledge about the subject. I don't say those things based only on my opinion or by simple prejudice, but as a graduated historian with a Master Degree in Contemporary History and a thesis plus almost decade of studies about European History post WW II, based on WW II events. So when I see BS history, I have to call BS.I see these videos as a sample. If it makes just a few people grow an interest and pursue deeper knowledge it's well invested money in my opinion
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This nice educational video mentions the need for food and the importance of france´s fertile soil.
I smell a food DLC with new resources coming.
Or it just a pie a smelling
I smell a food DLC with new resources coming.
Or it just a pie a smelling
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Just out of curiosity, which part of that video are you calling BS on?
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Just to mention a few that I identified in this video, despite I know there is more but I will not dedicate my time to nitpick every little thing:
-landlocked Italy and Germany
-simplification of motivations for war (Resources)
-japanese rubber production (90% in the world, despite, for example, Brazil was a powerhouse of resources productions, including rubber, for the Allies powers after 1941)
Other videos have many BS that they don't even adress in the episodes they call 'Lies', presented by a hippie guy, where they try to correct some mistakes and fact checking the series. One of the worst mistakes they made, in my opinion, was in the World War One series, where :
-they don't even checked the geography of the subject they were talking about or the factual history and mistaken that Sarajevo was in Serbia, not in Bosnia, and that Serbia was a vassal state of Austria-Hungary;
-they tell blant wrong the name of the nationalist terrorist organisation that executed the attack that killed the heir to the Austrian-Hungarian throne;
-they also blant wrong say that the Archduke was son of the incumbent emperor, while in fact he was his nephew;
That is WW I history 101, if you miss that kind of stuff you are more to Extra Story then to Extra History. Plus @Fulmen said before, they are called out in the comentaries in many videos they made.
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You are being extremely critical on issues which, don't really matter or effect the story. You know, the, how and why things happen. You are picking on technical points which, hardly matter.
Okay, this word has a technical meaning which they used incorrectly. Instead they used it to describe the fact that these two countries didn't have access to the sea for resources. Its a mistake sure, but it doesn't change anything.
I was a little annoyed by this aspect of the series too. It was much more of a simplification that I would be happy with, even in a 7 minute video. But, access to resources was a huge aspect of the war and many decisions were based on access to resources or denying your enemy access to resources. Especially the war between Japan and USA, was purely for access to oil.
When the Japanese occupied South East Asia, 90% of the worlds rubber supply was in Japanese control. This is a true statement. That Brazil picked up some of the slack does not effect the truthfulness of the statement. That the importance of rubber supply from Brazil wasn't included, is regrettable, but a consequence of a SEVEN MINUTE VIDEO.
This is a pretty awful oversight. Which I am sure the corrected in "Lies". Still, doesn't really effect the story as to how, an assassination resulted in a general European war.
I don't think anyone cares. He was the heir, was a part of the family, those are the important bits. It was a mistake, would have been better had it been correct but it wasn't.
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The most important part of the WWI story, was how/why it occurred. And how it shaped future European history. They covered the important bits pretty darn well. Again, these are *very* short videos. Over simplifications can and will abound. And if the worst they did was to confuse family relations, then, well, that's all right by me.
You are being extremely critical on issues which, don't really matter or effect the story. You know, the, how and why things happen. You are picking on technical points which, hardly matter.
Okay, this word has a technical meaning which they used incorrectly. Instead they used it to describe the fact that these two countries didn't have access to the sea for resources. Its a mistake sure, but it doesn't change anything.
I was a little annoyed by this aspect of the series too. It was much more of a simplification that I would be happy with, even in a 7 minute video. But, access to resources was a huge aspect of the war and many decisions were based on access to resources or denying your enemy access to resources. Especially the war between Japan and USA, was purely for access to oil.
When the Japanese occupied South East Asia, 90% of the worlds rubber supply was in Japanese control. This is a true statement. That Brazil picked up some of the slack does not effect the truthfulness of the statement. That the importance of rubber supply from Brazil wasn't included, is regrettable, but a consequence of a SEVEN MINUTE VIDEO.
This is a pretty awful oversight. Which I am sure the corrected in "Lies". Still, doesn't really effect the story as to how, an assassination resulted in a general European war.
Does this even really matter? They got the name wrong? Again, doesn't change or effect the story at all of how a general European war occurred.
I don't think anyone cares. He was the heir, was a part of the family, those are the important bits. It was a mistake, would have been better had it been correct but it wasn't.
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The most important part of the WWI story, was how/why it occurred. And how it shaped future European history. They covered the important bits pretty darn well. Again, these are *very* short videos. Over simplifications can and will abound. And if the worst they did was to confuse family relations, then, well, that's all right by me.
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@BattleMoose sorry mate if you don't understand half of things that I said, try to justify those guys for I really don't know what or oversight those absurds mistakes that they do not correct in the 'Lies' videos. I know that, I am not 'sure', I know as a fact. If you are going to produce a short video, do that based on facts, on real studies, on academic history, at least deal with what you can and what you know as a fact or based on studies, thesis, books and researches, not on myths, opinions or blaint false information. If you pose as a educational or information production, stick to real informations, if you are there to entertain and invent stories and data, don't try to pass as something you are not. I really cannot agree with you on many things, specially those you say that 'don't think anyone cares', being a history professor that I am. I stick to the idea that Paradox should have chosen better this PR with a channel more commited to educational history instead of entertaining stories based on false informations and myths.
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I understood exactly what you said. You confused my disagreement with a lack of understanding. Given your qualifications you should be familiar with the concept of disagreement. Goodness knows, there is a very great deal of it in your profession. Do you always confuse disagreement with a lack of understanding?
History is about the story, the what and the why. Your emphasis on names and familial relations completely gets in the way of the main focus of your profession. You do yourself and your profession a disservice.
History is about the story, the what and the why. Your emphasis on names and familial relations completely gets in the way of the main focus of your profession. You do yourself and your profession a disservice.
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History is not about story or just the 'what' and 'why', History is a process, a construct based on facts, sources, informations and interpretations, based on a handfull of different theories, and that is just being plain simple and close to wrong, since the Theory of History is the most complex area in academic history. At no moment I said you don't understand, but since you rather throw insults instead of discuss in a polite way, I rather end here any argue with you. It is only your opinion that I don't understand what disagreement is, as is your opinion that I 'do my profession disservice', I have a large curriculum, many students, faculties and some of the best history colleges in the world that would disagree with you, but you are entitled to disagree. I advise you to not insist in insults or keep this discussion since it is not going nowhere, at your own risk of breaking the forum rules and being reported.
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I was subscribed for Extra History for some time, but not anymore. The videos are too short and still full of false information. Plus I hate the voice.
In this clip for example the guy said nothing about Germany's synthetic oil production.
In this clip for example the guy said nothing about Germany's synthetic oil production.
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I believe that they were saying Germany was landlocked and Italy was non colonial. Neither of those statements are true but they might as well have been, I think that's why they said "Largely landlocked....". We all know Germany couldn't do much with the Royal Navy out there and Italy's colonies probably hurt them more than they helped. But teaching history is a big responsibility that needs to be precise. So, I would have to agree that they need to tighten up their facts and quality control a little bit. The telling of history is a good thing if it brings more people in to learn more about it. But even if you get the broad strokes right, you still need to get all the smaller facts correct as well and have it in the main video. Many people might not be aware of their "Lies" videos. But overall, I have enjoyed the extra credits channel.
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A lot of this I lay at the feet of the artist. (wrong flags All. The. Time.)
They get too caught up with story. This is fine when it's the less well known stuff. Some editing of odenathus is cool. The problem with ww2 is that this topic is very well known to a pretty deep depth in every aspect.
It's no longer "simplifying a story to bring it to a wider audience," it's telling the story wrong to an audience who knows most of this.
Really? You certainly fired the first shots of, belittling and demeaning. And then insist on being treated in a polite and respectful way. The world, just doesn't work like that.
Yeah, of course it is. But they are not doing history. They are telling it. Communicating, the story of what happened. And the major broad strokes of how it happened.
Clearly the quality of the video isn't up to your exacting standards but then again, your are far from their intended audience. The information they communicate is light, superficial and in and entertaining way. And for the most part, they do get the important bits right.
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If you would like to put forth an argument as to how, Franz being a nephew and not a son, effected the unfolding of the July Crisis, you might be able to persuade me to your point of view.
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It just doesn't make sense for you to hate on it so much. High schooler as an example would gain a very great deal of it. Post graduates should know better as to not use youtube as a learning source only with very great caution.
Er, yeah. It does matter. I get that you want to defend the video and win the Internet Argument but I think that basic factual accuracy is the least you can expect from historical analysis.
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Its the story that I think is important. How it came to be, that an assassination was able to result in a general European war. Getting the name wrong, doesn't effect that sequence of unfortunate events. Like, at all.
I really do see this as picking on trivial details that really, has very little to do with one of the greatest tragedies and defining periods of the 20th century.