WW CXXXVIII : The secret of the swordfish

[reis91]

Day 7

Najs, the Alien Pack Wolf is dead at the hands of the resistance.

Night 7

Boris ze Hunter was killed silently during a night watch.

 

[reis91]

Johho is back into action again, and may post, PM and vote, with the usual rules.

Overlord is over and out for the night.

 

[Cymsdale]

vote Yakman

 

[unmerged(361462)]

Vote Yakman

 

[johho888]

*yawn*

Did anything interesting happen while I was away?

 

[Najs]

What could we have done for him?

Is that an offer? Because your leg looks rather tasty...

 

[johho888]

So there are 10 players left.

We know there are (at least) two packs but with 22 players I think it is safe to assume there are exactly two packs.

We started with 22 players so 7 baddies would be sort of normal for a 2 pack setup. We know there was a sorcerer. Which leaves 2 pack of 3 baddies, either 2ww+1cultist or 3ww. It would be kind of pointless with priest and sorcerer if the only thing they could detect is eachother so I will assume it's 2ww+1cultist/pack.

Cliges the Yellow was hunted night 0 so with a normal hunt pattern that would mean Red hunt even nights.

The unexplained no-hunt was on Night 5, ie a Yellow hunt night.

So we should have:
Yellow: 1 original ww, 1 turned ww, 1 cultist
Red: 1 cultist

That would make 4 of 10 baddies which leaves no room for a sorcerer's apprentice turned sorcerer or we would have parity already.

Since Najs the Red saved Yakman from lynch it would follow that Yakman is the red cultist... Did Najs do that so Yakman could win with the other pack or are we looking at a 3ww+0cultists/pack setup after all? But why hunt the priest if there are no cultists to protect?

I have 3 players alive that I have scanned that are not cultists for what good that does us - well only 6 potential cultists left. Apparantly there is a doc somewhere out there and even if doc is a trait and not a role in this game I fail to see why a baddie doc would protect the outed priest so I'll have to assume he is a goodie. Mr Doc is welcome to PM me anytime BTW.

 

[trespoe]

For the sake of having someone else in the running.

Vote TNT

I like him or Gigau. Najs posted something for a case against Gigau so he could be in the other (yellow) pack. I doubt he would do so if he was also a red cultist. Both Gigau and TNT have been hitting my wolfdar.

If Najs believed Yakman to be a yellow wolf, why didn't he take him down with him?

Damn you, Najs!

 

[Cymsdale]

I don't this it's worth much trying to figure out why Najs saved Yakman. Was he trying to protect a fellow baddie? Was he trying to make Yakman *look* like a baddie (but since Yakman was pretty much going to die, how would that make any sense)? Nevermind the fact that if Yakman is not in the red pack, then Najs wouldn't even know if Yakman was a yellow baddie or a green villager.

So is Yakman red, yellow or green? For all three of those possibilities, Najs's suicide makes no sense to me. Therefore, I conclude that the only purpose of it was to try to confuse the village, and it should therefore be ignored.

I say we lynch Yakman, not because of what Najs did, but because there were plenty of reasons to lynch him yesterday, and those reasons haven't gone away.

 

[Trinitrotoluen]

I do wonder about the switch to Najs. Could it be that the yellow pack orchestrated it to get rid of the competition? It could give them the ability to hunt every night which would be huge for them and set them up nicely for parity. If the two packs contacted Rendap the night of his outing, there even is a good chance that Rendap passed that info on.

In any case gigau is my favorite candidate and I stand by that.

vote gigau

BTW johho, can you shed any light about the trespoe / boris debate yesterday?

Edit: A question that has just occured to me: can the yellow pack hunt every night even if a red cultist is still alive?

 

[gigau]

Edit: A question that has just occured to me: can the yellow pack hunt every night even if a red cultist is still alive?

Doesn't a Cultist become Wolf when all the Wolves of the team are gone ?


I'm with Cymsdale on that one : thinking about why Najs did that is pointless, given he could as much have tried to save a packmate or incriminate an enemy to help his cause.


I know this will look like a revenge vote, which it is not... TNT has been part of about all the villager lynch, he voted Adamus making him an unlikely red baddie, his vote on yellow Rendap was after the self-outing (and right before he was voting for now known-to-be-villager Boris), and yesterday he voted for me claiming that Yakman was dead anyways.... hmmm, wait... no... he isn't dead.

The problem is that there are no votes on known Yellows... one being hunted on night 0, the other making a self-outing. But i still sense TNT could be one of them :

Vote TNT

 

[johho888]

I don't this it's worth much trying to figure out why Najs saved Yakman. Was he trying to protect a fellow baddie? Was he trying to make Yakman *look* like a baddie (but since Yakman was pretty much going to die, how would that make any sense)? Nevermind the fact that if Yakman is not in the red pack, then Najs wouldn't even know if Yakman was a yellow baddie or a green villager.

If Yakman is a goodie why would a baddie break a tie and get only the baddie lynched. Even if it causes confusion and we lynch Yakman today instead of yesterday what would the baddies gain from it?

I do wonder about the switch to Najs. Could it be that the yellow pack orchestrated it to get rid of the competition? It could give them the ability to hunt every night which would be huge for them and set them up nicely for parity. If the two packs contacted Rendap the night of his outing, there even is a good chance that Rendap passed that info on.

I doubt Rendap talked to both packs. Why else would he put my name out in the open so the doc could know where to stay? Unless he just wanted to brag about it.

BTW johho, can you shed any light about the trespoe / boris debate yesterday?

I think trespoe misunderstood my PMs. We were talking about Boris (the PM he posted is a little abbreviated to protect a third party but otherwise correct) but I was also talking about one player that didn't want to out Rendap. That player wasn't Boris but I didn't want to tell his name to trespoe because I wasn't sure what to make of the "refusal".

 

[Trinitrotoluen]

I know this will look like a revenge vote, which it is not...

But of course it is.

I'd just like to point out the drive to hang Najs yesterday came from you. To me it awfully looks like trying to get rid of the competition and you are the number 1 suspect for the yellow pack IMO. Besides, for someone behaving suspiciously you have never been run up in this game (which alone is interesting).

@ johho:

Rendap's posting could also have been misinformation to screw with us. After all, if he was successful talking to both packs he hardly would want to make it public information.

Also, what do you make of that refusal right now? Just curious, did it happen on the day you were attacked or before?

 

[Yakman]

i am going to vote for gigau.

the reason is that when i vote for wolves (najs) beginning a cascade that leads to their timely demise, and unintentionally, but fortunately, out them (adamus) , people think, oh, he's a wolf.

well, I'm not a wolf.

so i am going to vote for someone that i think is probably a villager, and that way, you will think: oh, he's just a villager really.

vote gigau

 

[gigau]

I'd just like to point out the drive to hang Najs yesterday came from you. To me it awfully looks like trying to get rid of the competition and you are the number 1 suspect for the yellow pack IMO.

Or me voting for someone i was about sure would be a wolf...

Besides, for someone behaving suspiciously you have never been run up in this game (which alone is interesting).

Behaving suspiciously ? how ? You voted to lynch more villagers than i did.

Not being run up ? before saying this, please get your facts right...

 

[johho888]

@ johho:

Rendap's posting could also have been misinformation to screw with us. After all, if he was successful talking to both packs he hardly would want to make it public information.

Also, what do you make of that refusal right now? Just curious, did it happen on the day you were attacked or before?

Well, it could but then again by doing so he notified the doctor so I still live. Wouldn't the baddies rather have one less goodie around than just messing with our heads?

I scanned Rendap the night before he was lynched. I asked X to out him shortly after the deadline. X read the PM a little after that but didn't answer until 12 hours later at which time Rendap was already being run up. He then said he would try to help getting Rendap lynched but didn't want to do a straight outing. And Rendap got lynched so it worked even though I don't know how much that was because of X. I tried talking to X again after I recovered but have so far received no reply. OK, my PM might have been seen as fishing for information but I think it is pretty obvious I really am the priest, isn't it? So why not talk to me if X is a goodie?

I still haven't heard from the doc either though. C'mon, I just want to say thanks...

I'm a little hesitant to out X because maybe the two shy ones, X & doc, are the same person.

 

[drxav]

My early pronostics :

Najs : got the votes away from him.

 

[THE_SPLIT]

Hey, why didn’t anyone vote Lord Dalek yet? Anything on him? Voted yakman over najs and was generally quiet.... Vote Lord Dalek

 

[trespoe]

Yes for some reason Njas killed himself , never saw it coming he seemed like such a happy guy :huh:. What could we have done for him?
He turned out to be an alien pack wolf so it must have been our magnificent play at hunting all the baddies .

he just seemed to give up.

If he believed Yakman a yellow wolf, then maybe he wants the village to lose??? and is giving the yellows a break.
If he believed Yakman a villager, he only postpones the win for the yellow pack by a day?? and is giving the village a chance to win.
If Yakman was his cultist, then why run both up? especially when I was voting, and presented a case for, Boris?

Najs did a serious mindfuck.

 

[Najs]

Najs did a serious mindfuck.

I die to serve.