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When the World Stopped Making Sense | French | Wiki



Enlil said:
"Hey ladies and gentlemen! Prepare to be awed and amazed, with the awesomeness and ambitiousness of my new mod, one never done before by mortal hands, one alone in the sea of mods about making Bilbo Baggins High Poncho of Mordor, or migrating the Byzantine empire into Scandinavia...) This mod presents a world unseen by mortal eyes, one of migratory hordes, endless raiders, the fall of Rome and those who made good off of it."
Presentation:

When the World Stopped Making Sense (shortened into WtWSMS) is a major overhaul mod for CK2 created by the forumite Enlil (also known as "the Emperor" or "God of Enlilism" amongst the fans) in April 2014. It started off as a simple AAR made by Enlil himself to preview the mod, called "When the World Stopped Making Sense [A 480 Migrational Period AAR]". Later split into one mod thread, the mod that was centred around the Dark Ages and had a main start-date in 480 grew far beyond what Enlil has expected.

A lot of people remembered the old projects of this time period that had failed or been abandoned, so when Enlil stated that he had a WtWSMS "Alpha" it amassed comments and quickly became one of the biggest threads of the CK2 modding forum, receiving a sticky. Some other forumites got early engaged in helping him out with suggestions/ideas or code and would in late June 2014 constitute a beta team of devs and testers located in this group. After a very long development period and a few AARS and dev diaries by Enlil and others (that can be found below), the mod was considered as ready for an open beta release which was shared with the masses on the 31st of December 2014. In the aftermath of the release, a team was constituted who continued development and prepared for the 1.0.0. The mod became in early Januarry 2015 the first PDS-mod to have been granted a sub-forum so quickly after release.

Table of Mod:

Please use the dedicated threads/posts with info here in this sub-forum and follow the instructions in them!

Threads/Posts:
Presentation/Info/News - General presentation with a list of features of the mod and what is planned for the future, Devs will post ETA's in it and info
FAQ/Quick Questions - A FAQ with frequently asked questions and the possibility of asking new ones to an user or a dev
Bug Reports - The thread for any issues, crashes, bugs, glitches, A list of known issues exist in it
Suggestions/Ideas - If you have an idea on how to modify the mod or see any historical inaccuracies
Tell Your Stories - Having a nice time playing the mod? Share your experience by posting your empire/Mini-AAR/Videos/funny moments/Strange Screenshots/Observe Games
Credits - The list of credits, integrated mods and of contributors, post in this thread if you feel like you need to be added or that something is wrong
Pictures - Official pictures from the devs and testers, if you wan't contribute with one, post it here

Old Mega-Thread:
Culture/Religion Map 1: (Outdated) https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17330335&viewfull=1#post17330335
Papsukal's Talk on Steppe Peoples: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17332730&viewfull=1#post17332730
Loup99's Advice on the Franks - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17337565&viewfull=1#post17337565
Page 26 - THAT Discussion of the Settling Barbarians: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ing-Sense-A-480-Migrational-Period-Mod/page26
The Updated Spain and Religious Maps: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17340849&viewfull=1#post17340849
The Church Councils - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17340987&viewfull=1#post17340987
Playthrough 616 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17345258&viewfull=1#post17345258
Pictures of the Stars - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17348302&viewfull=1#post17348302
Mr. Capitalists Melting Pot Monolith - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17348131&viewfull=1#post17348131
Playthrough - 747 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17349961&viewfull=1#post17349961
Joemit's Legions - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17350354&viewfull=1#post17350354
Playthrough 833 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17355540&viewfull=1#post17355540
The Legion Debate - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ing-Sense-A-480-Migrational-Period-Mod/page39
Ekorovin's Slav Picture - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17371556&viewfull=1#post17371556
Erik W Saves the Day - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17372987&viewfull=1#post17372987
OuanLynch's Monolith on Politics - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17374860&viewfull=1#post17374860
Loup and the Religious Melting Pot - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17377097&viewfull=1#post17377097
Post 1000 - Mr. Capitalist Sings - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17377678&viewfull=1#post17377678
Gaul, Germania, Italia (plus Bosporan Cultists) https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17378252&viewfull=1#post17378252
KaiserMuffin Defines Arianism - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17404769&viewfull=1#post17404769
Major Update, Post 1430 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17406128&viewfull=1#post17406128
Updated Culture/Religious Maps + New Icons - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17411343&viewfull=1#post17411343
The Roman Republic and Playthrough 520 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...igrational-Period-Mod&p=17423212#post17423212
KingdomofWales' Discussion on Rome - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17427185&viewfull=1#post17427185
Playthrough: Islam - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17428353&viewfull=1#post17428353
The Recipe For Nations - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17508299&viewfull=1#post17508299
Crusade Triggers - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17552506&viewfull=1#post17552506
Sticky - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17558156&viewfull=1#post17558156
Inter-Realm Diplomacy - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17639980&viewfull=1#post17639980
The Consequences of Trade - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17640142&viewfull=1#post17640142
New Africa - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17643085&viewfull=1#post17643085
The Best Avatar - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17646656&viewfull=1#post17646656
Northern Africa (and the whole debate) - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17647652&viewfull=1#post17647652
The Dark Ages Description - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17669844&viewfull=1#post17669844
Playthrough 672 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17685073&viewfull=1#post17685073
Playthrough 867 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17696944&viewfull=1#post17696944
Playthrough 1066 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17697919&viewfull=1#post17697919
Pretty Borders - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17698249&viewfull=1#post17698249
Playthrough 1200 - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17703744&viewfull=1#post17703744
Religion Overhaul - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17706146&viewfull=1#post17706146
The First Closed Beta Release - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=17710019&viewfull=1#post17710019
Enlil is back in the business after CM issues - https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...Period-Mod&p=18336995&viewfull=1#post18336995

Features:

These are the major features that are planned for the mod in version 1.0.0.
  • Multiple new bookmarks with featured characters as well as scrollable history from 476 to 600
  • A huge playtime between 476 and 1453
  • New historical characters & dynasties, all adapted for the new start dates
  • Numerous new religions & heresies
  • Numerous new cultures and associated melting-pots
  • A completely reworked de jure map modelling the political situation in 480
  • A modified province map, with major overhauls in Africa, Persia and Arabia
  • New government types adapted for the period, ranging from Bureaucratic to Eranshahr
  • New decisions & casus belli to migrate as a Pagan
  • New dynamic events relating historical developments (with some church councils & schisms)
  • The possibility of Islam appearing dynamically
  • The possibility of restoring and unifying the Roman Empires and Roman legions
  • Unique sound track written by Christian Szajna
  • All of it converter-compatible towards EU4
  • Translations into French and Spanish
These features are listed in the trailer video for 1.0.0

Download:

View the second post for more details. We are currently in the Open Beta phase and aiming for 1.0.0 development once all of the bugs/history issues are fixed.

Progress:

Melting-Pots - 100%
Dynamic Province Localisation - 10%
Church Councils - 0%
Legions - 75%
Migrations - 100%
Map - 50%
Bookmarks - 100%
Expand History to at 600 - 100%
Rise of Islam - 50%

When everything here is completed, 1.0.0 should be good to go. Future "major" features that are planned:

New Inland Trade and Infrastructure - 0%
Dynamic Duchies - 0%
Church Councils - 0% (more)
Roman Reconquest and Restoration - 0%

Dev Diaries/Previews:

After Action Reports by Enlil:

When the World Stopped Making Sense [ A 480 Migrational Period AAR]
Roman Republic WTWSMS [A 480 Migrational Period AAR]
Last of Dead Kings [A WTWSMS AAR]

Closed Beta Dev Diaries by Enlil:
A. The Isaurian Wars
B. The Middle East according to Professor Enlil E. Enlil
1. Frankly I'm tired of Franks
2. Avars and Magyars and Tatars, oh my!
3. Crimean Goths + Hellenic Pagans=$$$$$$$$$
4. Spain is going down the Drain
5. Enlil uses Arians and Germans in a sentence without talking about WWII
6. Enlil FINALLY shows off Southern India

Previews by Loup:
Mini-Preview #1: Northern Africa
Mini-Preview #2: the British Isles
Mini-Preview #3: Arabia
Mini-Preview #4: the World in Maps

Spothlights:
Roman Portraits by Romulien
A bookmark by Loup
Installer by Loup

Dev Diaries
1. The Roman Legions by Erik W
2. Tarim Basin by Enlil
3. Imperial Legacy & Roman Features by Loup
4. Map Overhaul: Mesopotamia and Western Persia by Arcvalons
5. An overhaul of various things in Africa and Arabia by Erik W
6. Pretenders, Consuls and Governors by Erik W
7. Revamped Regions by Enlil

Trailer:

This trailer is considered as "awesome" and we all thank Erik W for his voice and Joemit for setting it up. ;)

Bookmarks:

For Release 1.0.0:
  • Little Augustus - 2nd of February 476
  • Julius Nepos - 1st of May 480
  • A Shattered Empire - 10th of December 480
  • Frankish Steel (Unification of the Franks) - 1st of January 486
  • Fallen Giant (Death of Clovis) - 28th of November 511
  • The Gothic Wars (Justinian) - 1st of January 535
  • Rule of the Dukes - 1st of January 575
For Future Releases:
  • Rise of Islam
  • The Ridda
  • The Scourge of God
Scope

Idea:

The scope of WtWSMS has been classed as huge, infeasible or unplausible. While it definitely is a massive overhaul, When the World Stopped Making Sense aims to use the CK2 game and completely overhaul it in order to make it fit for many new settings and a general era as a theme, the Migrational Era. With the 1.0.0 version, the base of this will hopefully be achieved, so that the development can continue and make the different realms, cultures, religions and governments more unique and flavourful.

Comparison:
After reading this through, you may still be wondering, why should I play WtWSMS and not LI or another Dark Ages mod? Is it unique? What is special about it? Well, the difference between this mod and others, amongst the more notable ones, like Lux Invicta and The Winter King, is that this is centred around an historical and dynamical plausible concept, modelling the Dark Ages throughout the period 476-700 (in a future version).
 
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When the World Stopped Making Sense
written by His Divine Excellency, King of Kings, Emperor of All Men, Lord of the Near and Nigh Enlil, Mesopotamian God of Storms

Welcome:
"Charles Fairhair," alxeu,

You are a Beta Tester, a brave adventurer, sent out to discover bugs, inadequacies and mistakes in the game. You are one of a chosen Elite, my Praetorians, Excubitors, Scholae Palatinae, Varangians. I did not select you people (You did not find this mod by chance) for YES-men, who fawn over me and say how perfect it is. (Not that I would complain...) I need you people to be blunt, caustic, and overly aware of every little problem. (But not mean, be tasteful people) Some of you are experienced modders yourselves, some of you are just smart people, some of you can word the mod errors into clever puns. But this is our hour, the gilded moment of our triumph. It is this day we win, or die trying. There will be hardships, there may be historical inaccuracies so bad some may die. There may be none. Some of us will gaze into the thousand mawed monster that is Armorica, and lose your minds forever. You might be mourned. There will be casualties and loss, but we will emerge stronger than ever before, we will release the best mod this forum has ever seen, and one day, a dev might even post in this badboy. For us band of brothers (and sisters???), us happy, lucky few. On this feast day of Crispian...

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"Catholics are OP" Martin Luther, Circa 1520

Bugs: Bugs, Glitches, and other negative Nelsons get reported in the bug forum. Don't just say there is one, find that corrupted apple that is ruining the crop, and tell me how to purge it, and if you can't find a solution, or it is too difficult to fix, we label it WAD and never look at it again

Missing Stuff: Did I forget something that should be in? Tell me in the Suggestions thread! Something missing can be as damaging as any bug. And it is common scientific knowledge that bugs are gross and icky.

Inaccuracies: There will be some. Tell me what I should do to make it better.

The Armory

"Remember your three assets, confidence, creativity, and courage. Also, numbers, you're going to want some of those" Micheal Swaim, circa 2004

This Forum: This bastion of hope and dreams will be your main source of reporting bugs. With great power, comes great coolness...

PM's: PM me if you want to directly tell me something super important. Only for emergencies, but not for, like a fire or something. Use 911, I refuse to put out a fire or stop a home invasion.

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Each Other: PM each other, I personally don't care if you fill IsadorBG's mailbox up, just not mine.

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911: I'm sure the police would love to come over and help you find that missing bracket in the landed titles.

Piracy
"Aargh Matey!" President Abraham "Blackbeard" Lincoln, Gettysburg Address

Don't steal stuff from this mod until it is released, and then you can use whatever you want if you give credit, as long as you ask and it is not going into another 480 mod.


The Link
"No, I thought of Tyre too, but in context of providing a hint to people I thought that line would make people think of Vandal Carthage instantly." Last Known Words of the Messiah Shaytana, circa 456 B.C.

The thread for Release 0.9.7.

In Conclusion
"I have this dream of mine..." Ragnarr Loðbrók, French accountant

My faithful champions, my holy legions, I thank you all for being patient. This is still a beta, and there will be bugs, but I'm sure that you would rather play and help now that wait more months for a "more complete" version. Have fun you guys, and I hope to continue to improve this mod with the help of the dev team, who are a wonderful people who have made so much of this possible.
 
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Erik W "the Mapmaker" - dejure, provinces, titular titles, various
Zusk "the Godsend" - rise of islam, migrations, various
loup99 "the Godogost" - french translation, map modding, various
Romulien - validation, various
IlikeTrains - validation, various
abian363- Spanish translation

Former Developers:
ekorovin
deutschland55 "the King of Kings"
PseudoCatfish "the Pontifex Maximus" - melting-pots, colours, various
Joemit "Prima Centurion" - legions, art
bontanel "the valiant and noble artist" - flags, art, icons
Cuthuthulu - EU4 converter

Beta Testers:

Aetherius
DarkReborn
flyguy117
alxeu "of the Fabulous Mustache"
javrios
rickinator9
BanishTheSpleen
Draugas Lietuva
BaronIronmaggot
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Integrated Work:
Additional Objectives by Multicast, continuation by ZachPruckowski
All Under Heaven - religions and cultures by .Me, continuation by the Tianxia team
AnaxXiphos Art by AnaxXiphos "da Vinci"
Ancient Religions by superskierpiat, continuation by jbelig, theStormWeawer and Romulien
CK2Plus - hereditary tributaries by CK2Plus Team
Diadochi Kings - art by Teutonic_Thrash "The Grand General" and rickinator9
Gloria Regni by the Gloria Regni Team
Imperial Legacy by Arcvalons
Lux Invicta - religious tolerance, mentalities, graphics, objectives and the climate map (by Numahr) by the Lux Invicta Team
Mazdayasna Zarathushtrish by Maestro Ugo, continuation by starwarsfan541
Nephew to the Purple by Sarcastik
New Cultures by various community members
Patron Deities by JohnathanCrow
Syren's Nicknames by Syren
SWMCB by GrandiSlayer
Unique Buildings by Morloran
VIET by cybrxkhan and OrdepNM
Winter King - GFX and legion government by Luca, Ols, DC123456789 and heroindog

To be Integrated:
Early Saxon Portraits by Isnfier

Special Thanks:
Mr. Capiatlist- subforum sponsor and moderator
Veldmaarschalk- directions on how to make a subforum
rickinator9- GitHub repository, coding help
DarkReborn- coding help
Mr Repwoc- contributed with various names, flavour suggestions and more
BaronIronmaggot- various contributions to Estonia, Russia and other areas, occasional contributor
IratePirate-- province border and name rework in North Africa
Moopli- province work in Africa
Arcvalons- various additions
TurtleShroom- flavour
Christian Szajna- music
Mouchi- French translation
Domper59- French translation
Fabuloscriptor- cultures
starwarsfan541- Scythian flavour, suggestions
OmerHart - government icons
SkyGreen24- contributor
Darokrithia - contributor
Pax Romana - history work
Dogs231 - coats of arms

Feeling that you need a special thanks, mention, or that you are credited but did nothing? Did we steal (this should not have happened) your work without permission? Please notify me, and I will update this list/remove any material.
 
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OP updated with more info and details, it should now be fully functional (except for the "Current Progress"). I will do a last preview too, for interesting characters and a 0.9.5 release will be whenever we think it is bugfree enough. ;) And no, Enlil is still the authour, developer, main guy, emperor and etc, I'm just a bit more responsable for the forum stuff. Anyone wanting to contribute with art or a new trailer is free to do so.
Now everything should be good and the progress a bit more logical, I will go on and update the other threads.
 

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Also, I would like to repeat that if anyone would like to help us out with this mod, either by joining the team and frequently contribute with code, joining the group to test the mod, contributing with ideas and concepts or simply work on a domain that this mod modifies and send that to us, you are free to do so and it would be appreciated. Any germanspeakers could also help out with localising the mod into that language. If any of these interest you, contact a team member by PM or post here and we will talk about it. Even if you have zero experience of coding or testing before, no problems, we can help you.

We are currently lacking a bit of manpower, so anyone who would like to contribute would speed up things and help us getting out of the beta phase more quickly.
 

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Where exactly would we get the .mod file needed for launching the mod?
I have the data folder and all, but I can't find a .mod file anywhere. (I may, very well be, blind. I've been that I am before)

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Yes, it turns out I am blind, I didn't realize 3 of the 6 folders in the main file were .mods... (I'm laughing at myself right now)
 

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same thing happened to me :))
 
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Hello there fans, its Erik the Mapmaker here, Second-in-Command for WTWSMS.

You may have seen me battling Mr Capitalist an co. in the Culture/Melting Pot Discussions or discussing map-changes in the Cartography Section.

But now, I am here to tell you about one of the upcoming major additions for WTWSMS:

ROMAN LEGIONS.

That is right, the Romans will now be able to use historical troops to reconquer the world they once owned. So let me show you what Im talking about:




So, what are some of the features of the Legions?

- First and foremost, they are all the same size, 1800 men.

- Second is that they can declare war on their lieges to depose them, so now it is even more dangerous than ever to be an Emperor!

- Third is that not all of the Legions are direct vassals of the Emperor. To explain, let us take a look at the Eastern Empire:



As you can see, even with all the money in the world, Emperor Basiliskus can't hire all the Legions at once. He only commands 7 of the 15 Legions currently stationed across the Eastern Empire. The Governors of Macedonia and Egypt both control 3 Legions, while Pontus and the Oriens hold 1 each.

But perhaps the most exciting thing about the Legions is that they can be restored or created.



"Organize the Legio I Mesopotamia" is a decision that allows you to create a new Legion if you fully control the Duchy of Oshroene. When you activate it, you will have a new Legion vassalized. Now, Legions that require duchies to be formed are rare, most of them require that you hold an entire Kingdom before you can organize them.



Now, this doesn't mean that we have Legions ready for every single Kingdom in the game. Though more Legions are planned, currently there are restorable Legions only in the former provinces of the United Empire, with the exception of Britannia. Also, the number of Legions varies from Province to Province. For Example, Julius Nepos in Dalmatia can organize 3 Legions while Africa has 2 raisable Legions and Lusitania has 1



Okay, the last feature I will cover here is who can be of any actual usage of the Legions and their future. Obviously, Barbarians can't hire Roman Legions. In fact, the only ones that can use the Legions are Romans, Romano-Barbarians, all Greeks except for the Bosporans, Aeolians and Tsakonians and finally, Christian or Roman/Greek Pagan Armenians. This means that a Zoroastrian Armenian can't hire Legions, but it also means that the "Barbarian" Isaurian Emperor Zeno will not be able to use the Legions.

Now the final feature is the future of the Legions. As Rome withers away, so does the Legions. They are currently losing 100 men per century, so you better make use of them while you can.

That is all for me. See you in the threads!



 

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Do you have any plans to make it possible to stop the deterioration of the legions?
Yes, definetly, that is our aim to have that possible in one way or another for a sucessful "roman" player.
 

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Also, in the Soonupdate of WtWSMS, I'm proud to announce that thanks to one change made by Romullien the Imperial Air Bahrein has flown it's last flight! The pilots are getting relocated and used elsewhere, so don't worry, no need for any strikes. ;)

For the next update, I personally plan on looking at the cultural localisations and wrap those up aswell as tweaking/researching for some holy sites. Scandinavia will also be incomming, just not yet.
 

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I also want to mention that we are aware of the three big main issues at the moment, the random crashes, a bit too aggresive raids in certain places and crazy migration troops. All of those will be fixed in the next release.
 

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For those who wondered and wanted a video on how to install the mod, here Voltspark made a tutorial a short while ago:


NOTE: I did not look at the video which seems a bit long, but there you have the bases.
 
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For those who wondered and wanted a video on how to install the mod, here Voltspark made a tutorial a short while ago
Nicely done, thanks Voltspark !

One extra step could be to launch the game and verify the checksum, to confirm installation is OK :)
 

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Also, for those interested, we discussed the wiki a bit on the old forums, here: http://oldforum.paradoxplaza.com/fo...e-Wiki-Started-Making-Sense-Our-own-wiki-page.
Romulien;19113979 said:
There is a small page started here: http://www.ckiiwiki.com/When_The_World_Stopped_Making_Sense, don't hesitate to expand

A list of interesting characters would certainly be useful !
About mechanics like migratory invasion or rise of Islam, maybe it's best to wait for release 1.0 to describe them in detail, as they are being reworked/fixed during the beta.
EDIT: For broken links, they will fix themselves soon according to forum admins. ;)
 
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How exactly does the "Melting Pot" system work? What cultures can merge?