Sorry, but let me just be pedantic for a moment:
pe·dan·tic [puh-dan-tik]
adjective
1. ostentatious in one's learning.
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.
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Sorry, but let me just be pedantic for a moment:
pe·dan·tic [puh-dan-tik]
adjective
1. ostentatious in one's learning.
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.
I trust Encyclopedia Britannica more
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic
Definition of PEDANTIC
1
: of, relating to, or being a pedant(see pedant)
2
: narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned
3
: unimaginative, dull
So both definitions are correct, according to that one source. Your previous argument would imply that it was either or. Since the word pedantic can be used either way, your original usage would have been better served with a different, more precise world.
I've never heard it used for that, and my Collins dictionary does not list it either. Seems to be a secondary usage, probably derived from the former- unimaginatively repeating minor details and arguing about them.
I've never heard it used for that, and my Collins dictionary does not list it either. Seems to be a secondary usage, probably derived from the former- unimaginatively repeating minor details and arguing about them.
It is an invective that you are using to deride people who disagree. It is name that you are calling said people. It is textbook name-calling. It's not a 'factual description of proven behavior and logical fallacies.' A logical fallacy is a failure in argument, not a descriptor. You seem to know nothing about rhetoric. Or are you seriously trying to use the phrase 'logical fallacies' in an attempt to throw a sheet over all arguments and sound smarter? Are you ESL?
Some people are saying it's not an issue. There: not 100?. Not all people care for or interact with this element of the game. Still less. Also, you can still play the game. Maybe to less of an extent or less effectively than you want, but you can still play it. That's not the case for a lot more people. You're still failing to understand perspective.
No, it does not.
Well, since the developers are working on other issues, I would say that it does not have primary priority. And a lot of people in here disagree with you, so I imagine it kinda stings to see your rage not reflected on everybody, since it's such a 'vital issue' that needs corrected. Some of these threads should come with a "First World Problems" disclaimer.
Well, this thread went off the rails pretty quick.
Shame, as there's actually a pretty nasty bug at the heart of it. Also, I'm pretty sure the "shallow and pedantic" line was once parroted by Peter Griffin in an attempt to seem more educated.
Shame, as there's actually a pretty nasty bug at the heart of it. Also, I'm pretty sure the "shallow and pedantic" line was once parroted by Peter Griffin in an attempt to seem more educated.
It was. He was copying the news reporters.
In either case, is the bug reported in the bug forum, along with all necessary steps to replicate it? If not, someone tell me how to do it verbatim and I'll go make the report there myself.
No sonny, "name-calling" is the use of offensive names and fanboy is not one of them
And besides those people were twisting a bug into a neutral or even desired effect. If I wanted to call them what I honestly feel about them, it would not be fanboy, but a much older word for people who display signs of irrational thinking.Yes, and they are the same kind of people who are described here:
They are only here, on this thread in a 50% representation because all reasonable people, like frolix42 and noobieone and other, critically thinking, fine gamers have mostly either given up on CK2 or visit this forum every once a month hoping to find out that the game is finally to expected standards, so mostly fanboys are left, praising and blindly defending anything that Paradox does.
Yes, it does, stop decieving. Read the real dictionary.
Yes, they who contributed to funky games like these:
http://www.ign.com/games/gettysburg-armored-warfare/pc-102025
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/impire/
http://www.ign.com/games/war-of-the-vikings/pc-20014258
They who do not fix old bugs but elect to put more buggy stuff into the game to make it even less playable. I have waited for enough, now it is time for something to happen about this issue!
Besides, the one in charge of the AI is Wiz, not those who are fixing game crashes so hold your high horses, them fixing this cannot change stuff that you have mentioned, it is only irritating to see them focusing on small dlc-related and new bugs instead of those old ones that effect the vanilla game. For me to take that position is logical. For you and that other guy to deliberately lie (mostly about grammar and semantics), and for those other 2 to twist logic and just spam whatever funky rationalization of mistakes into improvements in order to try to lessen for whatever reason my rightful complaint is just plain pathetic and petty.
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What on earth happened to these forums? It used to be civil around here, but it seems calling people names is the new concensus.
Nice argument guys.
7/10 for entertainment
3/10 for what it accomplished
Yes this AI deficiency sucks. There definitely needs to be a revision of the AI in general.
I'm pretty much just on a CKII (and EUIV) hiatus till the developers get their priorities in order.
However, I must say that I don't appreciate the dismissive tone of some commenters (and OP) towards Paradox's work, and I don't think it will do anything towards accomplishing what some of us players would like to see the dev team do.
7/10 for entertainment
3/10 for what it accomplished
Yes this AI deficiency sucks. There definitely needs to be a revision of the AI in general.
I'm pretty much just on a CKII (and EUIV) hiatus till the developers get their priorities in order.
However, I must say that I don't appreciate the dismissive tone of some commenters (and OP) towards Paradox's work, and I don't think it will do anything towards accomplishing what some of us players would like to see the dev team do.
No sonny, "name-calling" is the use of offensive names and fanboy is not one of them
You're calling them fanboy. You are using it as an invective. Therefore, it is a name. I'll play the brigand if that's what you want. And just because you call someone a 'fanboy' as a cognate or euphemism for worse words doesn't change the intent.
The Merriam-Webster Online dictionary is now the official source for the English language?!?! Someone better tell the OED... (By the way, the official source for the English language does not include your conflated definition, and it certainly isn't the same in most versions of the MW Dictionaries, at the International level or the Collegiate versions, until very recently, and they are still not the authority on English.)
It's also not fair to call me a liar. But, that's not a name, is it? You're not name-calling, I remember.
They do fix old bugs. Just not fast enough for your tastes, and not before fixing technical issues, which always take precedence. And why are you bringing up games that Paradox didn't make? Impire is made by Cyanide. Fatshark did WotV. Radioactive did Gettysburg. Paradox is just the publisher. They spend none of their time developing these games. They only publish them.
Wiz does work on AI. He's also not the only one. And, were I to hazard a guess, I imagine he is also under someone who tells him what to work on, same as any job. And how many times do I have to say this: DLC content is managed and made separately from the base game by a completely different team with its own funds, own goals, and own resources. The devs talk about it all the time on the Paradox subreddit.
You can say I'm a liar. You can say that I and others deliberately twist your words. Whatever. You're obviously a victim here and we're all clueless, lying, mean people.
Now, if you want to fix this, go into the bug reports forum and make a post, and then let it be. That's the process. The devs do work on bugs. They work a lot. They have a lot of stuff to do, and your issue is not that important, all things considered.
Ok, I didn't want to get involved in the actual debate here, but please provide a clear list of the all the people that have quit playing the game because of things like what you describe (and why they did so), and why they are the only rational, clear thinking people that play the game. You've just insulted everybody on this forum, and I would like a velar, codified list of reasons for it. No hyperbole, name calling, fanboy-labeling or likes.
While I agree that this AI issue ought to be fixed, the OP has nothing to his argument against the company behind it but assumptions, hyperbole, and labeling.
He is just an angry flamebaiter who happens to ride on a point that is actually valid.
We should probably just deprive this guy completely of attention so he goes back to the sea where he came from (he only has like 30 posts and the community is feeding him).
But, alas, people still take the bait in 2014. (no offense to you crackd, I understand your eagerness to defend the team and the game, but arguing with this guy will be fruitless.)
He also made posts about the rothschilds on other threads so its obvious hes just a deluded web-addicted shit kicker.
Oh I know I'm not changing his opinion. I just wanted entertainment at work. But what I write is less for him, and more for the topical readers who see his posts and can be influenced by them. Audience benefit, as opposed to his benefit. I do hope his issue gets resolved. I really do.
It's definitely an issue but I fail to see how you are doing anything to help it. If it has been present for a while, as you say, then there are plans to fix the bug, if it's possible (believe it or not, some times it can be hard to fix a bug, especially with AI). I doubt that Groogy is purposely ignoring this bug to piss you off. I really doubt he'll see this thread and say. "Wow some guy who just joined the forum is really furious (at the wrong guy according to the title). He loves to call people names and condescend to them, oh no I guess I should stop ignoring this bug and do something!"
I've personally reported it twice since December (first time back when I initially noticed it, a second after ROI released and it was still happening), and both times gave guides on how to reproduce it.
It's not too hard. Start a new game at a date where Holy Orders are already prevalent. Make sure you have a Christian and Muslim who are within range for holy wars (I like to use Aragon and Africa). Use the console to give the Christian King enough piety to hire a holy order multiple times, then have the Sultan declare a holy war. Turn on observe while using the Muslim state and watch the Christian capital. Unless the holy orders get caught into personally joining a war themselves, you will see the Christian king raise the holy order, usually let its morale get almost or close to full (occasionally they'll manage to get them to walk a county or two), and then they'll disband them.
I've even seen it in the most recent beta patch. Playing as the Kingdom of Trebizond, and I joined a war against a Catholic Byzantium, who was also attacked by Muslims. After the Muslim invasion started, sure enough: they started raising and lowering the Teutonic Order.
That's a pretty shitty bug, no doubt. Like I said above, I hope it does get resolved. If it's reported, then the only thing to do is wait, unfortunately.
They are fanboys, look up the definition, that is what I have desciribed and named, no offense there.
They are a source I trust, they include the meaning I used the word for, does your boss at work know how much time you are wasting nitpicking and being pedantic about offtopic bs just to try to provoke me into responding to you?
Yeah, half a year is little time.
Because publishing is a business, and this just goes to show bad decision making, and figuring out which bugs to prioritize takes ...come on now.... youuuu know it... YES, a decision!
There are dlc related issues being mentioned in current beta patch. So it seems that you are wrong, regardless of what you say you read.
They know about this, for half a year now.
And to what should my opinion exactly be changed? I think that this should have been resolved before making RoI. Since now I expect next dlc to come up before they make a bugfix I have every reason to voice my complaints. Their pattern of doing things does not put comfidence into them. And the fact that you might thing that I am a more demanding customer is not something I really care about.
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Me, for one. This bug pretty much broke my 1066 Norse Ironman game earlier this year. I was soooo proud of myself that I had taken all of Sweden and was on my way to all of Scandinavia when I realized that the much-feared Holy Orders were out of the picture because of this bug. No challenge, no victory worth having. I quit, and am not likely to play again until they fix it. This is a core mechanic integral to the very foundation of the game, and it's shameful that Paradox has continued to crank out paid DLC while this bug persists for months. Paid DLC, incidentally, which has served to introduce new bugs and memory issues. Get it together, PD.
All that said, Sigebryht you really need to work on your people skills. It's too bad this thread will be locked, because this is an issue that deserves a rolling 20-page thread of righteous fury.