Wow, this "game" is a sham.

[Tototoine]

Let me tell you the #1 law of business, its deepest truth:

THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. (Not "the fanbois", the CUSTOMERS).

The customers are unhappy right now. This *PROVES* that the product is not satisfactory.

I am happy. Most people are happy. Paradox make more money than ever with this game. If developers could see your salty review, they would be like this :

 

[ruzen]

I am happy. Most people are happy. Paradox make more money than ever with this game. If developers could see your salty review, they would be like this :

I have no doub that they are doing that. Thats why people are becoming upset. Paradox is turning into greedy comp.

 

[Tototoine]

I have no doub that they are doing that. Thats why people are becoming upset. Paradox is turning into greedy comp.

*a vocal minority of people are becoming upset

 

[Xykon]

So before, I was convinced that OP wasn't a troll. Most of his complaints are legitimate, even if he's being a little whiny in delivering them. However;

Let me tell you the #1 law of business, its deepest truth:

THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. (Not "the fanbois", the CUSTOMERS).

The customers are unhappy right now. This *PROVES* that the product is not satisfactory.

If you ask me, this is a sure sign of trolling. I could be wrong, but the amount of mental gymnastics needed to make sense of this post is crazy. I think we should all move on to other threads at this point, this discussion really isn't going anywhere.

 

[apostrof]

Well he is kinda right, just too emotional about this.
And even if he is trolling most of the issues he is talking about are definitely real problems, and we should bitch about them. Bitching about stuff is the only way to get what you want fast, proven fact of 21. century.

 

[CapnFantastic]

As anyone who has ever worked retail will tell you, the customer is more often very very wrong, than they are right.

 

[suksas]

Completely agree, the game is fun on multiplayer but with singleplayer everything relating to the AI and diplomacy just feels so wrong. In fact it literally doesn't work half of the time.

For me I'm just fed up of waiting 2 years to see a Paradox game in all its glory, and then ruined again when the original developers are moved on and a new team is moved in to support the game. Example of this is CK2 after Horse Lords.

It's fun in multiplayer not because single player is bad but because Dev's didn't finish the game before release. AI has numerous problems,we have content missing. Some possibly been cut out on purpose to make DLC.
The only fun part of multiplayer is that it has a not bugged humans playing against you. Thus your enemies are smarter,more varied and less trustworthy. But this alone doesn't make the game multiplayer focused. As this is something that every game with multiplayer offers.

 

[Bolachinha]

What strategy game in the last, oh I don't know, decade let's say, was released bug free, and didn't require any sort of patching or later fixes?

Its not about solely bugs, I can live with that. Its about content, its bland lacks so many options already on EU4, Vic2 and CK2...

It's fun in multiplayer not because single player is bad but because Dev's didn't finish the game before release. AI has numerous problems,we have content missing. Some possibly been cut out on purpose to make DLC.
The only fun part of multiplayer is that it has a not bugged humans playing against you. Thus your enemies are smarter,more varied and less trustworthy. But this alone doesn't make the game multiplayer focused. As this is something that every game with multiplayer offers.

Thank you!

 

[Pen Name]

Its not about solely bugs, I can live with that. Its about content, its bland lacks so many options already on EU4, Vic2 and CK2...

Thank you!

Yeah, it's always annoying when brand new IP in a genre the developers have never worked on before is marginally less refined on launch than the release version of games that are part of decade-long series.

 

[stardude900]

Its not about solely bugs, I can live with that. Its about content, its bland lacks so many options already on EU4, Vic2 and CK2...

Thank you!

Seriously?!

You're complaining about the game being too dissimilar from CK2 and EU4?

This thread now has people complaining about it being too similar and too dissimilar, ffs....

 

[-Hiki-]

Woah. Mentioned some papers in the discussion. Are you a student by any chance?
Any way if someone doesn't have any experience in something this doesn't make the critics any less valid if the critics relate to a final product.
And why you should care about practice in Softwaee Engineering when you bought a game to play.
Advice btw would be pretty simple release when it's ready.

Its actually close to a subject that I am writing my thesis about. Im doing interviews right now. I have to know these things

And I have been constantly confronted with the developer side of the software engineering story. Im kind of passionate about it.

 

[joriandrake]

So before, I was convinced that OP wasn't a troll. Most of his complaints are legitimate, even if he's being a little whiny in delivering them. However;



If you ask me, this is a sure sign of trolling. I could be wrong, but the amount of mental gymnastics needed to make sense of this post is crazy. I think we should all move on to other threads at this point, this discussion really isn't going anywhere.

google "The customer is always right"

its a business stance/mentality strongest in the US and Germany, you may not agree with it but it certainly isn't trolling.

Well he is kinda right, just too emotional about this.
And even if he is trolling most of the issues he is talking about are definitely real problems, and we should bitch about them. Bitching about stuff is the only way to get what you want fast, proven fact of 21. century.

after the splendid changes to Mass Effect 3's ending I fully support and back the customer right to complain

 

[Pen Name]

google

"The customer is always right"


its a business stance/mentality strongest in the US and Germany, you may not agree with it but it certainly isn't trolling.

Except it isn't, as anybody who's worked in a position where they have to deal directly with customers knows. What it is is a business slogan, a mantra; simplified version of a policy of appeasement that encourages staff to make the customer feel as though they're always right. It's a policy that entails that staff should always treat the customers complaints as valid and do everything within their power and responsibility to deal with the customers issues, but almost every business will also tell it's employees to never state that the customer is right unless it's objectively provable, because customers are not all delicate flowers and beautiful garden and as a company's first responsibility is to their employees they cannot allow for customers to take the piss and strong arm employees based on the presumption that because they paid for it their criticism is inherently valid.

'The customer is always right' doesn't mean that the customer is always rights, it means 'make the customer think they're right to avoid issues'. When the customer says something that is demonstrably false, for example 'Stellaris is a sham', then the policy simply requires that the employees should not tell the customer that they're talking out of their arse. It doesn't mean you have to accept their stupid statement as though it were carved in stone atop a mountain.

 

[Horrux]

Paradox currently does not have shareholders.

LULZ, just shows how much you understand of business... Pretty sad, really, that you allow yourself to post anything at all, knowing pretty much nothing about how the world works.

 

[Pen Name]

LULZ, just shows how much you understand of business... Pretty sad, really, that you allow yourself to post anything at all, knowing pretty much nothing about how the world works.

Awh, he thinks all businesses have shareholders.

At the moment Paradox isn't publically traded, and thus have no shareholders. They're planning to become an IPO this year, but to my knowledge they currently are still privately traded.

 

[Horrux]

Except it isn't, as anybody who's worked in a position where they have to deal directly with customers knows. What it is is a business slogan, a mantra; simplified version of a policy of appeasement that encourages staff to make the customer feel as though they're always right. It's a policy that entails that staff should always treat the customers complaints as valid and do everything within their power and responsibility to deal with the customers issues, but almost every business will also tell it's employees to never state that the customer is right unless it's objectively provable, because customers are not all delicate flowers and beautiful garden and as a company's first responsibility is to their employees they cannot allow for customers to take the piss and strong arm employees based on the presumption that because they paid for it their criticism is inherently valid.

'The customer is always right' doesn't mean that the customer is always rights, it means 'make the customer think they're right to avoid issues'. When the customer says something that is demonstrably false, for example 'Stellaris is a sham', then the policy simply requires that the employees should not tell the customer that they're talking out of their arse. It doesn't mean you have to accept their stupid statement as though it were carved in stone atop a mountain.

What you are writing is the millenial, dumbed-down, shitworld version of "the customer is always right". The real version meant THE CUSTOMER *IS* *ALWAYS* *RIGHT*. In other words, if he's unhappy IT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.

I'll explain why: an unhappy customer has 10 times as much influence on the company's reputation as someone who is happy. That's a fact. Given this, any company that will have success CANNOT EVER allow anyone to walk away unhappy, or these unhappy customers will ruin them. That, my little friend, is a bit of how the world works.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

And.... scene.

*clenches fist, walks off stage left*