Would you play a mod based on the third century crisis?

[jezza93]

EDIT:I have had 26 views but only one reply,please comment because I do want opinions of the scenario.


Because that's what I'm working on and I just want to see how much of an audience I can expect.
Oh and those who don't know what it is,the third century crisis was...

The Crisis of the Third Century (also "Military Anarchy" or "Imperial Crisis") (235–284 AD) was a period in which the Roman Empire nearly collapsed under the combined pressures of invasion, civil war, plague, and economic depression. The Crisis began with the assassination of Emperor Alexander Severus at the hands of his own troops, initiating a fifty-year period in which 20–25 claimants to the title of Emperor, mostly prominent Roman Army generals, assumed imperial power over all or part of the Empire.
By 258–260, the Empire split into three competing states: the Gallic Empire, including the Roman provinces of Gaul, Britannia and Hispania; the Palmyrene Empire, including the eastern provinces of Syria Palaestina and Aegyptus; and the Italian-centered and independent Roman Empire, proper, between them. The Crisis ended with the ascension and reforms of Diocletian, although it was his predecessor Aurelian who reunited the empire.

I've not done much on it too far,I've created new de jure duchies that reflect the actual Roman provinces.
These duchies are based off of this map,and there are a few here and there I need to do.

North Africa pronvinces,Carthage to Cyrenaica.

Mauretania Tingitiana,Mauretania Ceasariensis and Numidia

Hispania. Lusitania,Baedica and Hispania Tarraconensis.

Gaul.Lugdunenum,Flanders will be Belgica,Germania Inferior and Superior,Aquitania,Narbonensis and Segusio.

Brittania,I am aware that I need to remove Cumberland and Northumberland from Brittania Inferior. Other province is Brittania Superior.

Aegyptus,Arabia Petrae,Palaestina,Syria Phoenicia.

Asia minor,Cappadocia,Galatia,Lycia et Pamphylia,Bithnyia et Pontus,Cilicia,Armenia,Edessa,Mesopotamia,Oshoerne and Syria Coele.

Italia and nearby provinces. The black bit at the top will be Raetia. The grey one on the right is Moesia Superior.

Greece,Thrace,Dacia and Dalmatia. Achaea,Epirus,Macedonia,Moesia Superior and Inferior and Dacia. I do need to fit in Pannonia superior/inferior.

And yes,Italia is one big duchy but that is because the emperor independently controlled Italy. I renamed Sardinia to Caralis just to make things seem more ancient.
There are three things however that have me thrown A)How do I make paganism playable? B)Can I rename duchies/dukes to provinces/governors for a specific culture? C)Can I completely remove the papacy from the game or would it simply be better to rename catholic to pagan,if possible?)
And yes this is my first mod and perhaps it is overambitious but,gotta start somewhere

Oh and that handsome fellow in the top left is the Emperor Gallienus,albiet currently only the duke of Italia and rather older than he should be.


And one last thing,the mod in the end will be loosely based off of Harry Sidebottoms Warrior of Rome series because it is the best source I have on the war (It is as accurate as any historical fiction about a war with very little reliable information on. (Just to clarify what I just said there is very little written information from the time about the crisis. There is one Roman document but it is believed to be mostly fictitious.)

 

[steveuk666]

Looks very interesting Jezza. As for question B, check out the Saxon England project as they changed all the titles, names etc to Saxon.

Good luck.

 

[jezza93]

Thanks Steve,I'll ask how it was done

 

[Il Moro]

Everithing related to the roman age is a GO for me :-D

For your A and B questions you could ask to Idib816 (The Prince and Thane modder) or GAGA Extrem (BGA modder), I'm pretty sure that they can help you out.

For question C, well the period was confused, there wasn't a total powerful Church at that time, there was a Pope but it was an ininfluent figure untill Constantine.

 

[toluas]

I'd definitely give it a shot.
You might also wanna fit in Illyria (in addition to the mentioned Pannonias).

 

[Dean]

Italia is one big duchy? I'd play that, for sure!

I have to admit, I don't know much about the 3rd Century Crisis though. But that's one of the cool things about CKII: it inspires you to learn more about history.

 

[Baneslave]

Yes, I would play it.

 

[jezza93]

I'd definitely give it a shot.
You might also wanna fit in Illyria (in addition to the mentioned Pannonias).

I would but I am literally going just by that map and I believe that Illyricum ceased to be a province in 20AD and was split up.
Not sure how I'll fit the Pannonia's in,I may just make them one joint province due to the amount of counties I could use.

 

[Galaahd]

Sure, why not?

 

[toluas]

I would but I am literally going just by that map and I believe that Illyricum ceased to be a province in 20AD and was split up.
Not sure how I'll fit the Pannonia's in,I may just make them one joint province due to the amount of counties I could use.

Gameplay concerns are one thing, one that no one has to doubt your decisions. (It's your mod after all)
From a historical perspective though, Illyria was the major manpower-pool for the late antiquity for "roman" soldiers, though the term "Illyria" rather meant the region than a specific province. (There wasn't the office of "Magister militum per Illyricum" for no reason.)

 

[jezza93]

Gameplay concerns are one thing, one that no one has to doubt your decisions. (It's your mod after all)
From a historical perspective though, Illyria was the major manpower-pool for the late antiquity for "roman" soldiers, though the term "Illyria" rather meant the region than a specific province. (There wasn't the office of "Magister militum per Illyricum" for no reason.)

Well I'll look into that,I am having one odd problem actually merging everything under the byzantine empire (which will be renamed) which means it is time to go to Baneslave once again for help!

 

[Joel M Bridge]

Aww I mean man do you now the difference bewteen princpe goverment setup at time period, it pretty much frontier general racing rome after his troops delcare Emperor, so he can formual invest by senate and scrap of legitmancy.

 

[jezza93]

Aww I mean man do you now the difference bewteen princpe goverment setup at time period, it pretty much frontier general racing rome after his troops delcare Emperor, so he can formual invest by senate and scrap of legitmancy.

Honestly mate I have no idea how I'll sort that out,I might do several scenario's but for now I'm merely putting all the counties actually into the duchies in a physical sense rather than just a De Jure. Then I'll put the duchies in the empire. Then I will fit in any characters that still need to be put in. THEN I will make the Ostrogoths,then the Visigoths,then the Persians and then maybe I'll get around to thinking about Romes actual political situation.

Oh and if your want to know how many duchies are completed so far...well Lugodumnus is fully formed with counties as is Thrace and Achaia. However Thrace does not have the correct character yet and Achaia for some odd reason is showing Valens Thessalonica as a 1 year old boy who has...no name...but that will probably sort itself out.

edit:btw there are about 42 Roman provinces...and that's before I start on the Barbarians.

 

[guitarspider]

The region Illyricum would have been the provinces of Dalmatia, Pannonia and Noricum.

 

[unmerged(287474)]

For the love of god, yes, this sounds amazing!

A recommendation, do not make the roman empire territories de jure to the roman empire.

Make the de jure map more or less a cultural map, where duchies and kingdoms aren't yet established in many places.

So that if say, a county were to declare independence and wins, they weren't de jure in the first place, no duchy claims, no de jure kingdom to say "hey, I own you!"

Cause lets face it the only reason they were in the empire was because of conquest, not by choice.

Might make the claims system only apply to those of the same culture group, and give everyone the invasion casus belli against different culture groups.

The idea being that gallic cultures are diplomatic to other gallic cultures (maybe) but not towards roman, germanic, goth, persian, or nomadic cultures.

So to be more ancient and less middle-agy, do away with most duchies, and kingdoms, and only have them around the hearts of the estabilished empires at the time.

The result would be that the few kingdoms and empires would have small de jure area claims, but initially occupy a sea of counties around them. But if county were to break free successfully, no de jure claim.

Of course something like this would need to allow characters to create kingdoms after acquiring a significant amount of counties (6 maybe?), and then an empire if they have an even more significant amount of counties under themselves and their vassal counts (40 maybe?).

I just feel that the current every county being in a de jure duchy, and every duchy in a de jure kingdom, just doesn't fit in with the times.

Just something to think about~ I'd like to help you if I can. I have some trigger experience and nothing else, mostly making personal mods.

 

[Revan529]

Indeed I would.

 

[Drackos]

I would without a doubt. I would love to play any Roman mod.

Would it be one large independent realm with a bunch of dukes under the emperor?

 

[RedRooster81]

Nice idea for a mod. I am involved in my own project, so my time to play would be limited, but I will say re: the papacy, that the Pope is a repackaged Pontifex Maximus, the head of the imperial cult. What you do with that I'm not so sure.

 

[Joel M Bridge]

Nice idea for a mod. I am involved in my own project, so my time to play would be limited, but I will say re: the papacy, that the Pope is a repackaged Pontifex Maximus, the head of the imperial cult. What you do with that I'm not so sure.[/QUOTE But the Pontifex Maxiums is the one emperor many titles.

 

[Garbon]

For the love of god, yes, this sounds amazing!

A recommendation, do not make the roman empire territories de jure to the roman empire.

Does that really make sense for this period though? I mean the Empire did still have the cohesion to go marching on from the period at this point.