Would it be possible to add special ''Qizilbash'' units to the game, as well as a reworked Persia misson tree? :))

[Boybala]

I think it would be awesome if the nations that have and unlocked the idea ''Qizilbash'' -which are Ardabil, and Persia- would be able to train special ''Qizilbash Cavalry'' unit, just like Manchurian Banners. Because they are volunteered ''murids (religous voluntary warriors)'', they would have more morale and less maintenance cost. And it would require piety to train them. I also think that Persian mission tree is very short and uncomlicated compared to many other nations in the game, even though it's a nation that could be a regional even global power... these are my thoughts that I wanted to share and I hope it helps the games further developments!

 

[Romanix90]

About both matters i agree but in the case of ''Qizilbash'' it should only be availeable for Ardabil and in the case you form Persia. This nation by far is my fav Middle East nation with rich history and culture. Personaly i think that they deserve proper mission tree.

 

[wingren013]

I think it should just be generic Turcomans so it's not only an Ardabil/Safavid Persia thing. Ardabil could get an idea that boosts the amount they get.

 

[Wixelt]

I think it should just be generic Turcomans so it's not only an Ardabil/Safavid Persia thing. Ardabil could get an idea that boosts the amount they get.

What states other than the Safavids would have used the Qizilbash?

 

[Romanix90]

What states other than the Safavids would have used the Qizilbash?

I think that any nation that forms Persia should have acces to Qizilbash, but in the case of Ardabil they should have it like early acces. Not sure though should other Persian minors have acces to it.

 

[Mirza Khan]

Seems like a good idea to me. It might help Ardabil punch above its weight, which would be good because we rarely see an Ardabil-formed Persia as it is.

Persia needs a better mission tree (with conquest of Central Asia and Punjab, and maybe Egypt and Syria for AH goodiness).

 

[Me_]

I wouldn't expect unique army type just for an opm, but if it were more broadly available (e.g. Persia or anyfeudal theocracies with right culture and religion) it could work.
As for missions it has been mentioned that the Middle East is on the dev's wishlist for more/revised missions, so there is hope, but it may be quite a while.

 

[wingren013]

What states other than the Safavids would have used the Qizilbash?

The unit would represent the Turcoman tribesmen living in the area, not just the Qizilbash. So anyone in the greater Iranian area could use them. Make it restricted to nations of the Iranian culture group.

 

[Wixelt]

The unit would represent the Turcoman tribesmen living in the area, not just the Qizilbash. So anyone in the greater Iranian area could use them. Make it restricted to nations of the Iranian culture group.

Perhaps it could be implemented as a Shia equivalent [with some fusion with the Steppe Nomad tribes estate] to the Rajputs for those kinds of tags?

 

[Ziul]

It's the same for the Mamelouk's Furusiyya !

Furusiyya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It could be great to see more special unit ^^

 

[Boybala]

woah, it is very nice to see those replies and feedbacks, thank you all!

 

[Battlex]

I think it would be awesome if the nations that have and unlocked the idea ''Qizilbash'' -which are Ardabil, and Persia- would be able to train special ''Qizilbash Cavalry'' unit, just like Manchurian Banners. Because they are volunteered ''murids (religous voluntary warriors)'', they would have more morale and less maintenance cost. And it would require piety to train them. I also think that Persian mission tree is very short and uncomlicated compared to many other nations in the game, even though it's a nation that could be a regional even global power... these are my thoughts that I wanted to share and I hope it helps the games further developments!

'No, no, no' to quote a great woman, country ideas fill the gap perfectly. Banners are required by the jurchens because they don't have the manpower to fight China, whilst player ardabil can easily form persia provided they play their cards smartly.
This just gives feature creep, then you have people demand why you don't get special units for other nations first

What states other than the Safavids would have used the Qizilbash?

Akbar had to wear the Qizilbah hat, and as a theoretical safavid vassal would have had some in his employ. A Persianate update would also hopefully add Marthas and Rajput to nations with their capital in the Indian sub continent, and who own Rajput or Maratha land. As a nobility style estate they can get the culture convert mission from the diet, but this would culture convert to Maratha or rajasthan culture instead of the primary culture

 

[noldorin]

What makes Qizilbash special ? These are a group formed by the migration of the Alevi Turcoman from Anatolia to Iran. According to this situation, the Turcoman who remained in Anatolia were an important force in the Ottoman army as timarriot sipahi. Moreover, these Turcomans are today referred to as Azerbaijani turks. This state is not a Persian state. its name should be changed as safavids. I am writing as an anatolian turk. My girlfriend is azerbaijani turk. we clearly disagree with you.

Spanish Tercios
Ottoman Tımarriot Spahies
Sweden Rajtars
Byzantium Varangians

where will you put these?

 

[Battlex]

What makes Qizilbash special ? These are a group formed by the migration of the Alevi Turcoman from Anatolia to Iran. According to this situation, the Turcoman who remained in Anatolia were an important force in the Ottoman army as timarriot sipahi. Moreover, these Turcomans are today referred to as Azerbaijani turks. This state is not a Persian state. its name should be changed as safavids. I am writing as an anatolian turk. My girlfriend is azerbaijani turk. we clearly disagree with you.

Spanish Tercios
Ottoman Tımarriot Spahies
Sweden Rajtars
Byzantium Varangians

where will you put these?

Spanish tercios have an age ability
Ottomans are only ones to have Anatolia tech post 1500
Sweden Is Not Overpowered
Varangian guard is long since abolished along with scholae palatina

But yeh I agree the qizbiliah really don't need to be added, but perhaps the tribe estate could be added to areas which had tribes abundant, like the caucasus, so that generally they can raise large hosts from nowhere, but still use normal manpower to prevent the balance being changed too much. Would help QQ conquer the remnants of Ajam at the least