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Details here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ic-tribal-reconstruction-of-decadence.905195/

I was just wondering if at some point the HIP could implement some of Elvain's ideas. I think they will do much to differentiate Islamic states from feudal states and make much more sense than "you have too many drunk cousins, so a bunch of fundamentalists is attacking you." I don't know if some of his proposals are already in HIP because there isn't an updated comprehensive feature list. Just curious.
 
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I think they will do much to differentiate Islamic states from feudal states and make much more sense than "you have too many drunk cousins, so a bunch of fundamentalists is attacking you."

No time to go over the rest at the moment, but regarding the quoted text:

FYI, we haven't had decadence invasions in EMF for a long time now. We have our own custom system of decadence that is completely separate from the vanilla model (and any usage of its hard-coded elements) which is still continually evolving (e.g., the last release-- Zeus10-- had some very major changes to the way decadence is calculated and re-centered its definition a bit, and that surely isn't the end of the effort to make decadence an actually workable mechanic related to real, non-imaginary things).

Instead of decadence invasions, going along with our theme of rebranding decadence as roughly "misgovernance in the eyes of the House of Allah," a very decadent realm-dynasty head will suffer from realm instability -- from vassals, [real] foreign threats, plots, a rather interesting system of cascading provincial rebellions at the extreme, etc. -- and, of course, is going to have a rather upset Tradition faction and more instances of claimant adventurers (using our custom claimant adventurer system which is actually realistic, of course) and a lot less piety.

EDIT: Oh, I just realized that you linked to a discussion specifically on decadence AFTER posting. I thought you'd linked to another, much more general suggestion thread that elvain has created for Islam. I've no time to edit accordingly, but I still think the information above might be enlightening.
 
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