I'm really enjoying Darkest Hour and have been looking at Hoi4. However, seems like a lot of problems with AI? The strength of the AI is what I like most about DH so that's an important factor. Any thoughts on whether it's worth buying, especially from other DH players?
Worth getting now or wait?
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Wait a week or so for them to get some hot fixes out for 1.5. If goofy bugs don't annoy you that much then just jump in.
It depends on your tolerance for bugs, broken systems and "huh" moments. If it's high, then you'll probably enjoy it. If it's low, it will probably annoy the hell out of you. I'm in the latter camp.
As someone above said, it's worth getting now, or at least after the inevitable hotfix that is currently in beta. The Ai has improved quite a bit this patch.
If the Ai is an important aspect for you, stay with DH for one year or two, bc right now it is a huge mess
If you love history and you think to see some in hoi4 you’ll be disappointed.
Stay away from the game until the developers take their Swedish-minded mentality out of the game.
If you want to see Japan turning communist or USA doing everything but WW2, well this is the game for you.
Because of the current poor state of the AI I suggest waiting. Especially if you are use to Darkest Hour you will find the current state of Hoi4 AI exasperating. Maybe by 2020?
Well worth it. If you only play it for 100 hours it was cheap entertainment. And if you like DH you will like HOI4. It is a work in progress like most PDS gsg games that develop over time, but far more detailed and involved than DH.
Can you expand more on this? The AI in DH is very adept at defending itself and even on regular it's quite challenging. Is this the case with DH?
This seems counter to Telenil. What are issues with AI currently?
It all depends on your perspective. If you think the ai in DH is good (which is a meme) you will have just as much trouble with HoI 4 ai.
It's bad at stopping the player from cutting off large chunks of its army.
Expert AI helps but as its author disclaims: "What is NOT fixed is how the AI moves its divisions, fleets and such except for tweaks here and there. This area is largely unmoddable although there are some significant improvements here as well."
This is why I would say no to the OPs question of whether to buy now. I think a few more years and maybe it will be ready be ready for prime time.
It would honestly be easier to list the things that the AI is decent at.
...The AI ruins matches in so many different ways. In general, Id say: It is just very very easy to beat, even if you dont use any exploits and if there arent any major(catastrophic) mistakes it makes. But even these do happen.
For example: I had a few decent early months against the Soviet Union as Germany, it was an interesting back and forth between the two nations. I was able to encircle 500k enemy soldiers every now and then but thered always be more. So far so good. Until one day the northern half of the Soviet army decided to strategically redeploy somewhere, for no apparent reason. I was able to push, they couldnt recover, won the war, but not in a very satisfying way.
It seems like a lot of issues. I'm leaning towards waiting until they get addressed. Any idea of when this issues should be fixed? ITMT I'll stick with Darkest Hour.
I have HOI 4 and if you would like to look at a lot of what if scenarios and a awesome modding community then it is definitely worth it. However if you like to keep things more historical I would stick with HOI 3 and/or DH
P.S.
There is a DH mod for HOI 4
P.S.
There is a DH mod for HOI 4
Noone knows when they will be resolved. The main issues have been known for quiet a long time, but paradox doesn't really reply when people ask about how it is going.
Probably due to the issues being hard to solve.
So, wait a year or two if you want the AI to be resolved.
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edit, felt i came on to strong
I still believe in pdx
We have been waiting since June of 2016
To put it in perspective of how long we have waited for a proper AI, I was 25 when this game was released. I'm almost 28.That's really odd as people have paid a lot of money for this game. I see the DH devs respond all the time and as I understand it they are more like volunteers.