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What do you think are the worst dlc for eu4? They can be anything like expansion packs, Music packs, immersion packs,unit packs, e books, anything. For me I think that worst are
1.mare nostrum
2.conquest of paradise
3.early upgrade pack
 

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1. American Dream. The events are completely out of wack and until recently the governments that came with it were removed completely from the game.

2. Epistles Music. Despite being free, they feel completely out of place with the rest of the music and I find them incredibly annoying. I don’t speak Swedish though, so take that with a grain of salt.

3. Catholic Majors. Great unit models and it is only on this list simply because it has existed for two years and still hasn’t been rereleased since the original distribution.
 

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Cossacks. Favors and estates can go burn in hell.
Really? I think they are great. Sure, they could use more development and interweave them with other mechanics more, but I much prefer the game with than without
 

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Music...there are music added to Eu 4 that simply does not belong. This music is added via DLC, and this music is very un-paradoxian. Its like someone external made the music.
 

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Actually Fredmans Epistlar is music that was written during EU4 time period. Albeit the late period, in 17xx something.

But yes they are sung in swedish so not many like them. They could have made an english version to make them more international.
So in a way this music is more authentic then the other music in the game.

For me its Sabatons music pack. Its bad.
 

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for me any dlc that adding things that %100 needed in core game but not added in time
no not devolping you dont need it! but common sense as example is terrible because its addings things... what title suggest: sensable things we should be able to do at very beggining
dlcs like CoC or mandate of heaven are beyond awesome because they adding things purely for fun and you are not demanded to have them to have fun experince.

dlcs must not include core gameplay mechanics they must offer someting new , fresh :/
 

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Rights of Man: Institutions and the way they are handled is garbage, and the fact that some interactions with them are behind the paywalls of Common Sense (Developing Provinces) and Mandate of Heaven (Edicts and Age Abilities related to Institutions) is honestly just shameless greed.

Second Place is Common Sense, because developing provinces and thus playing tall should not be behind a paywall.
 

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Rights of Man: Institutions and the way they are handled is garbage, and the fact that some interactions with them are behind the paywalls of Common Sense (Developing Provinces) and Mandate of Heaven (Edicts and Age Abilities related to Institutions) is honestly just shameless greed.

Second Place is Common Sense, because developing provinces and thus playing tall should not be behind a paywall.
But Institutions are in the base game and even though they connect with developing provinces you can play without it; you just won't be able to spawn institutions on the other side of the globe.
 
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Music and unit packs are cosmetic, so for me are rated lower than I'm going to bother to express. I was recently forced to recognize that even The Sims gives better value with its cosmetic packs. SMH...

As far as packs that actually matter it's probably 'American Dream' because it effects so little of the game. It's the only DLC I don't have because it would be too expensive at any other cost than free.
 

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The worst "proper" DLC (i.e. not a music pack) is probably Mare Nostrum. Not only is it a bit lacking on content to begin with but it actively makes the game worse by adding Raid Coasts.

Seriously, it could be so much better, there could be pirate fleets that pop up on the map like rebels which you can hunt down, there could be actual battles on the high seas over loot and plunder... But no, instead if you're a Berber it's a free money button and if you're not it's an annoyance that forces you to permanently send a single heavy to each trade node to Hunt Pirates for the rest of the game. Slip up for a few seconds? Sorry, all your coasts are instantly looted now.

If that feature were simply patched out one day never to return I honestly wouldn't miss it. I'd consider it an improvement to that DLC.
 

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Mare Nostrum is the worst. Raiding is literally shit, as 1 click loots several provinces at once and 1 galley can make AI's raiding crippled(and if that 1 galley stops hunting pirates for some days, then all coastal provinces will be raided). Trade league is made for MR, but no one wants to play MR for estate-less, bad factions, and state province limit. Trade city is buggy, it makes me think that there is no QA in Paradox actually. Only condottieri is meaningful in Mare Nostrum.

Mandate of Heaven is worse too, as Mandate system and Shogun system can't give historical immersion and fun gameplay. Also, 350ish development of Japan compared to 1100ish Ming and 130 Korea is hilariously high and Korean communities went crazy after seeing that crazy development.
 
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Mare Nostrum adds nothing terribly exciting and adds one thing (slave raiding) that is just annoying...and it is for some reason $15. By far the most overpriced full expansion for EU4. I was barely content to get it for $5.

I feel like Conquest of Paradise is rather overpriced but I love playing in North America and I got it on sale so it’s actually one of my favorites.
 
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Not surprised there's someone crying about Cossacks.. expecting big nations to just fight their wars for them lol.. clear lack of skill right there.

There's a lot to like about the Cossacks expansion pack that I won't ever turn it off but man....the Estates system sucks. Great idea but man is it more annoying than anything. Too many boring annoying events related to estates, the good stuff that comes with interacting with the Estates has too long of a cooldown, and honestly if it wasn't for the event spam or the occasional demand for more land, I'd probably forget they were there 95% of the time. I don't think they really add a lot to the game. But the rest Cossacks brings is awesome.

In general there's something I like in every expansion/immersion pack/content pack (even Mare Nostrum) so it's hard to pinpoint the worst EU4 DLC. I guess the American Dream one?