World/province names bugfixes

[muttoneer]

Would prefer to see the Duchy of Hampshire as the Duchy of Wessex and the Count of Hampshire as the Count of Winchester. Minor gripe though.

 

[NeilJT]

Would prefer to see the Duchy of Hampshire as the Duchy of Wessex and the Count of Hampshire as the Count of Winchester. Minor gripe though.

Yes - wasn't Harold Godwinson duke of Wessex? Although I have no idea if the title survived the conquest.

 

[Solmyr]

One more correction I forgot:

Soumi -> Suomi

 

[muttoneer]

Yes - wasn't Harold Godwinson duke of Wessex? Although I have no idea if the title survived the conquest.

Yes he was, and it was a much larger Wessex than just Hampshire and Salisbury.

The Earl of Wessex title has only just been recreated (for Prince Edward) so although it wouldn't be "historical" to have a Duke of Wessex it would be by no means unlikely for a Norman king to reinstate what was a very prestigious title in 1066. I imagine "Duke" and "Earl" are pretty much the same in CK.

 

[jmschaub]

I wrote this in the bug list but got ignored so maybe you guys can do it. The province of Muscovy is in the wrong spot. I don't have any resources in front of me at the moment but maybe someone knows what i'm talking about. It should be further north in between the two rivers. Just look at where they put it in CK to where they put it in EU2 it's two different spots. Sure the city didn't exist in 1066 but the province should be in the correct spot at least.

 

[Solmyr]

I wrote this in the bug list but got ignored so maybe you guys can do it. The province of Muscovy is in the wrong spot. I don't have any resources in front of me at the moment but maybe someone knows what i'm talking about. It should be further north in between the two rivers. Just look at where they put it in CK to where they put it in EU2 it's two different spots. Sure the city didn't exist in 1066 but the province should be in the correct spot at least.

This entails map editing which we cannot do.

 

[unmerged(14905)]

This entails map editing which we cannot do.

and none will never do it.
we cannot.
they can but a simple patch is not a good way to rework the map. Unless you want download an 80 mbs to change a single spot only.

 

[jmschaub]

didn't the CORE team mod the map for HOI? Just wondering.... I didn't think it was possible but I thought i'd ask.

 

[unmerged(14905)]

HoI is the worst Pdox game, and I have played CORE 10 mins before unistall all the pack (game and mod).
IIRC, the only thing CORE changed on the map was the city icon view, and that isnt a real map feature, a gfx only.

 

[jmschaub]

i do know that someone....maybe core...maybe paradox changed some of the mountains to hills after initial release. Look to the Czech area they used to be mountains.

 

[Solmyr]

Given that the Latin culture is now used for the Languedoc/Provence area, we should give it an appropriate in-game name. Languedoc, Provencal, or Occitan are possibilities, anyone care to comment on which is best?

 

[unmerged(1624)]

From my limited knowledge Provençal if it only covers Languedoc/Provence, since Occitan covers the entire of southern France, parts of Italy, the Basque country and Catalonia.

 

[Solmyr]

There are separate Basque and Catalan cultures, so I guess it is Provencal then.

 

[kerloic]

Occitan

Provencal is only for Provence
Basque has nothing to do with Occitan
Catalan and Occitan could merge, but well...

 

[Tunch Khan]

Some byzantine themata (duchies) renaming...

ADRI (Adrianopolis) --> Thrake
BELG (Belgrade) --> Sirmion
BUTR (Butrinto) --> Epirus or Nikopolis
DMES (Mesopotamia) --> Taron
DORO (Dorostotum) --> Macedonia
GALA (Galatia) --> Charsian
IKON (Ikonion) --> Anatolia
LAOD (Laodikeia) --> Thrakesion
NIKA (Nikaea) --> Opsikion
NIKO (Nikomedeia) --> Optimaton
SINO (Sinope) --> Paphlagonia
VARN (Varna) --> Paristrion
VIDI (Vidin) --> Bulgaria
ZARB (Zara) --> Dalmatia

Those suggested name change are combinated with some initial scenario setup modification I'll post soon in the proper byzantine thread...

I'll have to disagree with your changes, especially with IKON, NIKA, NIKO, ADRI, GALA, SINO and BELG. Although they look and sound better, i believe the existing names are historically more accurate as they were used by Byzantium Empire and her neighbors during the CK time frame.

 

[unmerged(255)]

I'll have to disagree with your changes, especially with IKON, NIKA, NIKO, ADRI, GALA, SINO and BELG. Although they look and sound better, i believe the existing names are historically more accurate as they were used by Byzantium Empire and her neighbors during the CK time frame.

Depends. Themata system was already crumbling by 1066, but the ones provided by Mikon Orod were indeed the proper thematic names for the corresponding provinces. In other words, there was no "strategos ths Nikaias" (!) but there was a "strategos tou Opsikiou."

On the other hand, if you take the most important cities as the defining factor in deciding on provincial names (which CK does), I believe the current names are quite accurate. The themata were by and large irrelevant by the second half of 11th century. The urban centers, that remained under Byzantine rule, were far more important as administrative centers. So I think the current names are quite appropiate.

 

[unmerged(27913)]

I'll have to disagree with your changes, especially with IKON, NIKA, NIKO, ADRI, GALA, SINO and BELG. Although they look and sound better, i believe the existing names are historically more accurate as they were used by Byzantium Empire and her neighbors during the CK time frame.

Well for example Byznatium never used anything like the "Principality of Zara". Zara or Zadar which was(and is) a town in Dalmatia that got to be a separate Duchy when Habsburg's got it from Venice. So much for the "more historically titles"...

 

[Brownbeard]

Sirmium is latin, Sirmion is greek.
The middle and later Roman Empire was a Greek Empire, not Latin anymore

Anyway I have changed some suggestion, based on this POST for a rework of the Byzantine Empire principalities.

sirmium was razed long before eastern roman empire became greek and not latin so it does not matter

anyway: vojvodina is in the bacs province, the province should stay belgrade since it engulfs northwestern serbia(not vojvodina, nor east srijem). or, perhaps whatever the hungarian name for belgrade was, since it was their fortress.

the problem with the map is that it is slightly distorted when it comes to the balkans. one must use their imagination a bit to understand the borders...

 

[Brownbeard]

DSER

how bout renaming the Duchy of Serbia into:
a) Duchy of Duklja(Dioclea)
b) Duchy of Zeta

since both Duklja and Zeta are important historic titles, there is a Kingdom of Serbia, and there was never a Duchy of Serbia, only Kingdom and Empire

 

[unmerged(14905)]

sirmium was razed long before eastern roman empire became greek and not latin so it does not matter

I'm talking about the theme, the region, not the city.
anyway, doesnt matter, because the province got to be taken away from BYZA.