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Yes, Ethiopia managed to remain independent until just before the start of WWII. However, the Italians did try to capture the country militarily in 1880s and 1890s and managed to become one of the few European countries to lose a war to an African country. They did manage to grab Eritrea (the coastline) though.
The other African country to remain independent is Liberia. Probably the only reason it remained independent is because of the United States. Freed African-American slaves that wanted to go back to Africa were sent to Liberia, establishing an American interest in the region. Their capital was even named Monrovia after American President James Monroe.
BTW, my sources say that the church of Ethiopia is 'Ethiopian Orthodox' and makes up a little more than half of the country's population (Islam and animists make up the rest). The Coptic Christian Church is mainly in Egypt.
The other African country to remain independent is Liberia. Probably the only reason it remained independent is because of the United States. Freed African-American slaves that wanted to go back to Africa were sent to Liberia, establishing an American interest in the region. Their capital was even named Monrovia after American President James Monroe.
BTW, my sources say that the church of Ethiopia is 'Ethiopian Orthodox' and makes up a little more than half of the country's population (Islam and animists make up the rest). The Coptic Christian Church is mainly in Egypt.
You are formally correct about the Ethiopian Christians, Pole, but it is essentially the same religion as the Coptic Church.
The Ethiopian church declared itself independent of the Coptic patriarch as late as 1959. The Coptic church is headed by the 'patriarch and pope of Alexandria, Pentapolis and Ethiopia,' who is elected by the entire community of clergy and laity.
Btw, more than 90% of the population in Eritrea are Coptic Christians.
/Doomie
The Ethiopian church declared itself independent of the Coptic patriarch as late as 1959. The Coptic church is headed by the 'patriarch and pope of Alexandria, Pentapolis and Ethiopia,' who is elected by the entire community of clergy and laity.
Btw, more than 90% of the population in Eritrea are Coptic Christians.
/Doomie
Eritrea has a coastline, not Ethiopia. The 'they did manage to grab Eritrea...' Pole wrote is referring to Italy, which quickly lost Eritrea to the Brits early during WWII.
Eritrea is on the coast of the Red Sea (actually, its name is the Italian translation of the Latin 'Mare Erythraeum' which literally means 'Red Sea'). The area was under the influence of Egypt, Ethiopia and the Turks when the Italians came. The Ethiopians were not at all happy with the situation since the area held important ports and Ethiopia was landlocked.
After WWII, Ethiopia claimed Eritrea bascially because it wanted its ports. Eritrea was joined in a federation with Ethiopia which quickly fell apart when Ethiopia reneged on its promises of Eritrean autonomy and unceremoniously annexed the area.
After WWII, Ethiopia claimed Eritrea bascially because it wanted its ports. Eritrea was joined in a federation with Ethiopia which quickly fell apart when Ethiopia reneged on its promises of Eritrean autonomy and unceremoniously annexed the area.
this is going to sound stupid, but i want to know the exact meaning of annex, i get what it means from the context of your posts, but my dictionary i looked it up in doesn't really have a good enough explanation, and just confused me more.
so if you guys would be so kind as to tell me,i would be happy
so if you guys would be so kind as to tell me,i would be happy
Unless I am mistaken, in the context of territory, it means to incorporate the territory into your nation. The land is not conquered, or occupied, is not a satellite country, or colony, etc; but it is now considered to be within the national borders of the country that annexed it.
Basically, its the complete, political and military submission of a previously independant state into the fold of the 'annexing' power.
Usually, all of its lands / territories / cities come under the complete and direct political and military governance of the occupier.
An annexed country cease to be independant in usually all areas. It ceases to have its own government, its own laws, its own constitution, its own armed forces (under the previous flag).
Sapura
Usually, all of its lands / territories / cities come under the complete and direct political and military governance of the occupier.
An annexed country cease to be independant in usually all areas. It ceases to have its own government, its own laws, its own constitution, its own armed forces (under the previous flag).
Sapura
It doesn't necessarily have to be the complete independent state, it can be provinces or territories of another independent state, i.e. Israel annexing parts of Syria and Jordan (I hope that is a good modern example).
oh..
so if country(A) attacks country(B) and occupies 5 of it's 13 provinces, but country(B) doesn't want to give them up, who controls them, and what if a coutnry doesn't want to annex something...
so if country(A) attacks country(B) and occupies 5 of it's 13 provinces, but country(B) doesn't want to give them up, who controls them, and what if a coutnry doesn't want to annex something...
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That is true, but in this game it is not.
/Greven
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Now Sweden (A) attacks Denmark (B) and occupies 5 of her provinces. Sweden controls these provinces but Denmark owns them. At this point Sweden can only offer peace claiming up to three provinces, if that is Denmark accepts. To take more Sweden must take all Danish provinces (i.e. all 13 of em). Now Sweden can offer Denmark annexion (that is if Denmark is computer-controlled no sane player would do it without wanting to stop playing) If Denmark accepts all 13 danish provinces will be controlled AND owned by Sweden.
Hope it solved something...
/Greven
lets say i am denmark, and they occupy 5 of my provinces, but they are at the border of a country that hates me, can ilet them have all 5 of them...
so, you can give a country as many as provinces you want, right? but you can only demand 3?
so, you can give a country as many as provinces you want, right? but you can only demand 3?
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No sorry, I wasn't clear on that one. You can only demand three and you can only give away three.
But actually why would you wan to give away more than you need ? Every province you own is part of you economy, if you loose one your production and tax incomes are lowered. Think of it approximately as if loosing a big city in 'Civ'.
/Greven
EU only allows a maximum of 3 provinces to be 'annexed' during negotations to end a war.
Say I've captured 3/4's of the Polish Commonwealth playing as Russia. I have won the war and can now demand a max of 3 provinces + some cash if they're seriously defeated.
'Give me (e.g.) Polotsk, Wielka and Bessarabia + 250 ducats' Usually, if the defeated country is on its very last legs it will accept such a demand. These provinces then come under the complete political, economic and military control of (in this case) Russia. Poland loses complete control of these provinces.
Sapura
Say I've captured 3/4's of the Polish Commonwealth playing as Russia. I have won the war and can now demand a max of 3 provinces + some cash if they're seriously defeated.
'Give me (e.g.) Polotsk, Wielka and Bessarabia + 250 ducats' Usually, if the defeated country is on its very last legs it will accept such a demand. These provinces then come under the complete political, economic and military control of (in this case) Russia. Poland loses complete control of these provinces.
Sapura
well if these provinces are of a different religion, and continue revoltling and such, and are on the boarder of a bothersome country, it would be a wise move, because for 1, you dont have to stomp revolts, worry about fighting a war against mutliple countries, and if you get good relations with that country, you get a nice buffer state.
can you give provinces away as gifts?
can you give provinces away as gifts?
Greven and Sapura,
Thanks for the excellent explanation on annexing provinces. That's the major reason I read this posts; to learn more about computer EU game play.
Thanks for the excellent explanation on annexing provinces. That's the major reason I read this posts; to learn more about computer EU game play.
That's a good question. Can someone answer that one?
However, at the moment, I cannot think of any historical example of the time period where a province was given away without a war, a royal inheritence or an abandonment by the original power (the owner didn't care enough about the territory to claim it). Any historians out there to help me out?