My problem is that I have high stability and loyalty, but I am very low on crown land.
World Conquest tips for 1.30 patch?
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Well, your country isn't in prime position to be absolute right now, but that's ok. You'll reach that eventually. Estates are new easy way to reach absolutism, but all the old ways still work. The Age bonus, reducing autonomy (especially now that you have no state limit), harsh treating...
If you conquer new land you'll have unrest to harsh treat. If you don't, don't worry about absolutism.
If you conquer new land you'll have unrest to harsh treat. If you don't, don't worry about absolutism.
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Past some cheese like "accept demand to reduce autonomy", the system make sense. Historically, the French crown slowly consolidated its power and increased the size of the royal desmene so that the king became the unquestionable ruler rather than a first among equal (gunpowder also played a part given how it made dealing with those massive fortress rebellious vassals so liked much easier. The cost of maintaining the logistical network necessary for gunpowder armies was also an important factor). Louis XIV faced several[url] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_the_papier_timbr%C3%A9]revolts, and crushing them and imposing the crown's tyrannical demands for more tax to fuel pointless wars was undoubtedly key in establishing himself as an absolute monarch.
You meanwhile failed to actually take advantage of the estates, but also didn't bother taking their land to strengthen the crown because you feared pissing them off. This is the worse of both world.
Stability and lack of revolts is nothing a good trust break can't fix. (Truce break is actually my go-to option to fulfill the requirement for Court and Country actually).
Florry had an early copy of emperor and has already completed a Kuba 1-tag as of two weeks ago, and did so while intentionally taking bad idea groups
.He also attempted totemist 1 faith in that run.
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Obviously. Time to give up playing Eu4 once again. This kind of game mechanics frustrates me too much. I want to get some fun by playing games, not being frustrated by weird game mechanics.
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Pretty sure his Kuba was in 1.29, right?Florry had an early copy of emperor and has already completed a Kuba 1-tag as of two weeks ago, and did so while intentionally taking bad idea groups
He also attempted totemist 1 faith in that run.
Anyway, Florry lives in his own world. The speed at which he plays is insane.
France missions are very powerful. I'm in the early 1500s and I have
How to prepare for absolutism? I have plenty of lead time. I've only really used the estates for their missions and administration. The nobles still have a lot of land, since I've left the land untouched (bar the Normandy ducal ring, which is a very unsatisfying event). Absolutism sounds key to WC.
Second. Does the Subjugation CB on Poland/Commonwealth get converted to a PU if I wait for them to leave the elective monarchy. Since if it does, I can let them keep growing and swallow a large part of eastern Europe in one go. If not, I have to start now, cutting them down to size.
- Castile and Aragon PU. Easy pickings after I broke my alliance, just had to roll Portugal and the Pope
- Milan PU. Easy. Had to fight Austria and a lot of the Empire, but Burgendy had declared a war against Liege (and was winning it, despite having a third of the troops of the combined alliance). Event, not missions. Fed them back their cores on Venice, and Mantua.
- Naples PU. Very easy. Aragon had ditched them as usual, and they only had a few minor allies.
- Burgundy I've eaten the french parts of. They decided that Oldenburg was their protector. I got free cores. Then saw that no other event happened, so I attacked. Midway through the HRE forced them to spit out the low lands. Actually worked out better, because in the following wars, the minors that fought each other, gave me cores, twice.
- In terms of the rest of France, I have the core region of France plus Savoy and Alsace. The rest of my french culture claims are behind Calais, and I've been holding off on taking on England, as I build my navy
- Bohemia is my one non-vassal/PU relation slot. They have my dynasty and a fairly young childless king. Not bothering to break alliance yet, as I'm feeding them their missions claims, without the AE blowing back on me
- The HRE dismantled. The extra three diplo slots were very useful for allying the electors not part of a alliance chain I tripped. Still hasn't stopped most of Germany having a narc on.
- Byzantium vassal. Actually started as Epirus, who got me dragged into a defender of the faith war against the Ottomans twice. Very annoying for no gains. Ended up vassalsing Epirus. Then I saw they had permanent claims on Syria and Jerusalem. Took on Mamluks. Actually ended up being the toughest war of the game so far. They had a three-star general, and my PUs were very little help, and wasted time marching through the north African deserts. Anyway, in the end, I won
- Epirus then got diplo annexed, and I created Byzantium (who I fed back their cores and some claims) and Jerusalem. Likely a mistake. Since the region now seems to be a trade company, and they have the same mission tree as Epirus, which they can't start because vassal. Oh well.
How to prepare for absolutism? I have plenty of lead time. I've only really used the estates for their missions and administration. The nobles still have a lot of land, since I've left the land untouched (bar the Normandy ducal ring, which is a very unsatisfying event). Absolutism sounds key to WC.
Second. Does the Subjugation CB on Poland/Commonwealth get converted to a PU if I wait for them to leave the elective monarchy. Since if it does, I can let them keep growing and swallow a large part of eastern Europe in one go. If not, I have to start now, cutting them down to size.
You need to aim for 100 crownland as soon as possible if you want to WC, or at least very high crownland.
People might suggest ways to game the system with absolutism, but for a casual french WC, the passive gain from government reforms, high crownland and the occasional harsh treatment and autonomy reduction is more than enough to quickly reach 100 absolutism. You can also integrate a vassal/PU before Absolutism starts to lower autonomy in all this new land in the early absolutism era. You need to revoke privilegias that reduce maximum absolutism too.
No idea for your second question, I haven't played France at all since the introduction of missions.
People might suggest ways to game the system with absolutism, but for a casual french WC, the passive gain from government reforms, high crownland and the occasional harsh treatment and autonomy reduction is more than enough to quickly reach 100 absolutism. You can also integrate a vassal/PU before Absolutism starts to lower autonomy in all this new land in the early absolutism era. You need to revoke privilegias that reduce maximum absolutism too.
No idea for your second question, I haven't played France at all since the introduction of missions.
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My approach has been to gradually steal land from Estates while giving them privileges. You want high crown land (75+) when 1610 rolls around. The way I do this is aim to keep estates loyalty floating points at 45+. Get them all to 45, call a Diet, immediately revoke land and then let their loyalty tick up again. France can get a bit extra ticking Absolutism from L'Etat C'est Moi. If you have been expanding a lot and have a bunch of TCs you can still fulfill the mission. Load the game, wait a day - from then until the monthly tick you should be able complete the mission. It's janky, but the requirement is stupid and should only consider Stated land anyway.
If you want, you can use the trick mentioned above. Set it up so that Clergy and Nobles are above 50 loyalty and Bourgeois are below 50 and revoke land. You'll get Particularists that you can accept the demands of and then go on a lowering autonomy spree. It's not at all needed, though, if you don't want to do this. You'll get high Absolutism fairly quickly anyway if you have above 75 Crownland.
No. It's still Subjugation. You can fairly reliably PU PLC though in my experience by making sure you win all the elections. When they leave Elective Monarchy they will have your dynasty and no heir. Immediately Claim Throne and DoW.
Side notes, France is insane this patch. I got full BI of a blobbed Burgundy (I helped them blob hoping for this exact outcome). I kept them above 100 relations, kept them hating the Emperor, and with their lack of relation slots they didn't get any other allies/RMs. The BI doesn't reliably happen, but the potential land grab is insane. Austria had a regency council when the Imperial Incident happened so after they demanded the Low Countries and I told them to GTFO - nothing happened. I guess the Regency prevented them actually declaring the war.
I think that event is bugged. I also got it on my game as France and I clicked on the button which said in red letters "Austria will declare a war for Burgundian territory" and they never declared. And they were even stronger than me at that point.
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How do you make sure you win all the elections? doesn't that cost a lot of diplomat time? Every time I tried to send a diplomat seemed like I had no chance of getting my heir supported.
How many Diplomats do you have? I almost always take Diplomatic ideas early with France and of course I take Admin as well so with the policy I will have 6 diplomats from pretty early on. One of them gets parked permanently in Poland. The only competition at that point should be Austria. Ally PLC, war regularly with Austria. If possible give an Austrian province to PLC. Keep them hostile towards each other. It's an investment.
Thanks for the advice. My France strategies have utilized Influence then Admin for my first ideas. Diplomatic is tempting, but I have a lot of subjects as France the way I play (usually get PU CB for Milan and Naples and there are vassal opportunities all the time) it and the diplo annex savings cost seem like a no-brainer.
I'm also finding vassals/subjects are more useful in war this patch that allies. I was in a game allied to Castile and they would never join because they were in debt all the time. With france, you can get 9 relation slots with their ideas, Influence and strong duchies privilege. You can basically create your own vassal swarm. Though you can do the same with diplomatic, I find I want to integrate than create or diplovassalize new vassals for conquest/reconquest CB opportunities.
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Give some recently conquered land with lots of different separatists to a vassal. Should get you a decent amount of harsh treatment. Mexico is amazing for farming them becuase there are so many rebel groups that are relatively small.
Have just “almost” finished Russia WC on 1.30. Ran out of admin points in the end to core a bunch of provinces as I forgot to disinherit a 113 heir, got locked in a 102 regency while he was 3 year old... almost 30 years at very low mana.
So I’m doing a rerun based on my experience.
Anyway, some learnings:
- Governing capacity is ok to manage, although super tedious. I built the required buildings everywhere I could and had room to spare.
- Going hegemon is questionable. Got powerful economic bonuses but a -100 hit with my vassals. So it took more effort to integrate. Still, having a 1.5K income per month was great, lol.
- Going revolutionary no longer worth it. The CB is great but disappears fast. The last Russian mission gives +5% admin efficiency if you crush the revolution and something forgettable if you embrace it.
- Making TCs everywhere is excellent for income and a revolt-free fun.
- Taking the colonisers out early is great, because the colonial nations are very active now and help in wars across the world.
- Pushing the crown land above 75% is critical. I didn’t do a C&C last time, but might do now.
My opening was no-CB vassalise Byzantium, eat Novgorod for trade node/sea access and no-CB vassalise Ireland, then force-PU on France, then cycle through wars with the colonisers, Commonwealth and Bohemia Monster Union, Ottomans / Mamluks, Africa and so on.
Overall, enjoyed this more than my 1.29 WC as a theocratic Byzantium
So I’m doing a rerun based on my experience.
Anyway, some learnings:
- Governing capacity is ok to manage, although super tedious. I built the required buildings everywhere I could and had room to spare.
- Going hegemon is questionable. Got powerful economic bonuses but a -100 hit with my vassals. So it took more effort to integrate. Still, having a 1.5K income per month was great, lol.
- Going revolutionary no longer worth it. The CB is great but disappears fast. The last Russian mission gives +5% admin efficiency if you crush the revolution and something forgettable if you embrace it.
- Making TCs everywhere is excellent for income and a revolt-free fun.
- Taking the colonisers out early is great, because the colonial nations are very active now and help in wars across the world.
- Pushing the crown land above 75% is critical. I didn’t do a C&C last time, but might do now.
My opening was no-CB vassalise Byzantium, eat Novgorod for trade node/sea access and no-CB vassalise Ireland, then force-PU on France, then cycle through wars with the colonisers, Commonwealth and Bohemia Monster Union, Ottomans / Mamluks, Africa and so on.
Overall, enjoyed this more than my 1.29 WC as a theocratic Byzantium
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It's only for vassals. That CB is pretty much useless unless it's a dying plc
it is enough, you missed destroying all your states and living iff trade
for CW and other big nations you can wait for nationalism or revolutionary:
1. Have a big target (over 100%)
2.a target is over 300%, war constantly and keep revoking cores on your land until they are 300% or less (take into account imperialism or reconquest costs 75%)
2.b target is above 200% but no more than 300%, make sure they stay there an that they have a guarantee
2.c target is at or below 200%, just keep them there
3 come your 50% cost cb, dont wipe their army (corral them), grab 100% of land, dont core, and if missing land use the guarantee(s) to finish the full annexation
4. now release as vassal