Working on a spouse Mod: MB-GOTW

[Azarias59]

I have a few ideas to fix the matrilineal marriage issue.

I don't know if this could work, but here they are:

1. Disable Matrilineal Marriages.
2. If a woman becomes owner/heiress of a title, then the following could happen:

Assuming her husband is unable to execute Jure Uxoris up on her, or owner/heir to title that is 1 tier below his wife or higher, or from a more prestigious dynasty, then an event may trigger. This event would change the dynasty of her children to her dynasty rather than her husband's, as well as for any future children. If her husband ever usurps her, or comes to inherit a title that is 1 below her or higher, than the effects could have a moderate chance of being reversed.

Another idea: The Virgin Queen
Essentially this would be a rare-ish event that triggers on any independent, adult, unmarried female ruler Duke-Tiered or higher. This event would essentially have the (AI) character in question resolve to never marry so as to keep their husband from usurping her. After ten years they would get the nickname 'The Virgin'. This would not however give them the trait 'celibate' as they might still take a lover. It would give a bonus to their piety, but make their titles become more susceptible to be claimed in her old age.

There also might be a slight chance for the AI to reverse this event later on.

 

[Damocles]

I have a few ideas to fix the matrilineal marriage issue.

I don't know if this could work, but here they are:

1. Disable Matrilineal Marriages.
2. If a woman becomes owner/heiress of a title, then the following could happen:

Assuming her husband is unable to execute Jure Uxoris up on her, or owner/heir to title that is 1 tier below his wife or higher, or from a more prestigious dynasty, then an event may trigger. This event would change the dynasty of her children to her dynasty rather than her husband's, as well as for any future children. If her husband ever usurps her, or comes to inherit a title that is 1 below her or higher, than the effects could have a moderate chance of being usurped.

Another idea: The Virgin Queen
Essentially this would be a rare-ish event that triggers on any independent, adult, unmarried female ruler Duke-Tiered or higher. This event would essentially have the (AI) character in question resolve to never marry so as to keep their husband from usurping her. After ten years they would get the nickname 'The Virgin'. This would not however give them the trait 'celibate' as they might still take a lover. It would give a bonus to their piety, but make their titles become more susceptible to be claimed in her old age.

There also might be a slight chance for the AI to reverse this event later on.

1) I wish I could disable matrilineal marriage. It's hard coded. Hopefully, the devs may listen and give us the option to turn it off. The game doesn't even give us a trigger to identify a matirlineal marriage.

2) Something worth potentially looking into, if matrilineal marriage is disabled. Only players care about MM, though. AI are not affected by what their dynasty is.

RE: Virgin Queen) In my own game, I have homosexual and celibate both modded to not allow marriage, based on similar reasoning as this. Since both traits are incredibly rare, it doesn't matter much. I think once or twice, a homosexual prince was betrothed while still a youth to a heiress, but I'm okay with that.

 

[darthfanta]

1) I wish I could disable matrilineal marriage. It's hard coded. Hopefully, the devs may listen and give us the option to turn it off. The game doesn't even give us a trigger to identify a matirlineal marriage.

2) Something worth potentially looking into, if matrilineal marriage is disabled. Only players care about MM, though. AI are not affected by what their dynasty is.

RE: Virgin Queen) In my own game, I have homosexual and celibate both modded to not allow marriage, based on similar reasoning as this. Since both traits are incredibly rare, it doesn't matter much. I think once or twice, a homosexual prince was betrothed while still a youth to a heiress, but I'm okay with that.

I think it should be possible for homosexuals to get married, but the chances of that should be lower than what's normal. There were plenty of cases during the middle ages where gay rulers got married and sired children.

 

[Bujyland]

Renly married, albeit reluctantly. Then later (in the show) Loras is almost married to Cersei, and his homosexuality is noted as being a 'minus point'.

 

[Damocles]

I think it should be possible for homosexuals to get married, but the chances of that should be lower than what's normal. There were plenty of cases during the middle ages where gay rulers got married and sired children.

I'm fine with it being available by event. But right now, if you can get married, the CK2 AI will marry as if their life were at risk if they didn't find a spouse.

That said:

Update:

Byzantium event got slightly delayed, because I've become obsessed by a mod to give a unique AI and command bonuses/penalties to every culture in SMWH (ai_rationality, ai_honor, ai_zeal, ai_greed, ai_ambition) and all the leadership traits.

This is because I think, your average Mongol noble should be inherently better at say cavalry warfare and fighting on the steppes, than a Flemish burgher.

Normans have strong AI, and strong military attributes, but take dynastic opinion penalties. Some cultures like other cultures better, (or hate them worse). Armenians tolerate Muslims, and are tolerated by Muslims, etc.

This is all balanced. Having a leadership trait is still better. But it makes cultures more plausible.

I'ma gonna need some people to test it soon.

 

[Azarias59]

I've been seeing an issue with the AI. Multiple people will betroth themselves to the same lady, but even after one of the couples marry, the betrothal is still marked on the other guy. This makes it so that AI won't marry, because they are already in a betrothal.

 

[Bujyland]

I'm fine with it being available by event. But right now, if you can get married, the CK2 AI will marry as if their life were at risk if they didn't find a spouse.

That said:

Update:

Byzantium event got slightly delayed, because I've become obsessed by a mod to give a unique AI and command bonuses/penalties to every culture in SMWH (ai_rationality, ai_honor, ai_zeal, ai_greed, ai_ambition) and all the leadership traits.

This is because I think, your average Mongol noble should be inherently better at say cavalry warfare and fighting on the steppes, than a Flemish burgher.

Normans have strong AI, and strong military attributes, but take dynastic opinion penalties. Some cultures like other cultures better, (or hate them worse). Armenians tolerate Muslims, and are tolerated by Muslims, etc.

This is all balanced. Having a leadership trait is still better. But it makes cultures more plausible.

I'ma gonna need some people to test it soon.

More DAMO mod is a good thing. Bring it on ser.

 

[Damocles]

I've been seeing an issue with the AI. Multiple people will betroth themselves to the same lady, but even after one of the couples marry, the betrothal is still marked on the other guy. This makes it so that AI won't marry, because they are already in a betrothal.

I know. It seems the AI isn't recognizing 'is_betrothed' in some circumstances. A partial fix is to lower the MTTH in the ai_betrothals decision.txt. Or else just delete it for now, if you like. It seems to happen when two AI try to use it at the same time. I should've set the MTTH low, but I accidentally left it in as 50 (instead of like, 0.1 or such).

I have asked the devs about is_betrothed.

(Also. Betrothals should automatically end regardless, at a certain age)

 

[highsis]

Could you please tell me how to edit this mod to be compatible with 1.111? I have numerous custom mods I've edited specifically for 1.111 and do not want to lose all those changes by updating the game to 2.01.

 

[Damocles]

Could you please tell me how to edit this mod to be compatible with 1.111? I have numerous custom mods I've edited specifically for 1.111 and do not want to lose all those changes by updating the game to 2.01.

In your 00_on_actions: Insert Damo.91 under divorce acceptance, and Damo.90 under 'on_death'. You can search for 'Damo' in my on_action events that come with the mod, to see exactly where I mean.

Then just make sure when you load it, that you're using only one 00_on_actions file. Some people have had trouble when they didn't realize mine was getting overwritten.

You'll know 00_on_actions modified incorrectly or is being overwritten, when upon death, titles don't seem to be distributed as they should be, in the OP.

On another note:

Patch 2.0 is really great. I was in the same boat as you. Absolutely dreading the update. But using WinMerge, and Notepad++ with a compare plugin, I was able to get it working again. It made for a stressful night, but still. Patch 2.0 didn't change so much (that is usually modded anyways), as to make it difficult. The exception being, if your mods are a bunch of interface stuff. Those can cause weird CTDs.

 

[highsis]

In your 00_on_actions: Insert Damo.91 under divorce acceptance, and Damo.90 under 'on_death'. You can search for 'Damo' in my on_action events that come with the mod, to see exactly where I mean.

Then just make sure when you load it, that you're using only one 00_on_actions file. Some people have had trouble when they didn't realize mine was getting overwritten.

You'll know 00_on_actions modified incorrectly or is being overwritten, when upon death, titles don't seem to be distributed as they should be, in the OP.

On another note:

Patch 2.0 is really great. I was in the same boat as you. Absolutely dreading the update. But using WinMerge, and Notepad++ with a compare plugin, I was able to get it working again. It made for a stressful night, but still. Patch 2.0 didn't change so much (that is usually modded anyways), as to make it difficult. The exception being, if your mods are a bunch of interface stuff. Those can cause weird CTDs.

Thank you so much.

I will eventually update my own mods to the lastest version, but for now I'm waiting for the big update on mid December.

BTW, do I have to merge files with different names such as "ao_combat_pulse.txt" in on_actions folder from other mods with 00_on_actions.txt of this mod? They seem to share the same entries.

 

[Azarias59]

Here is an example of the betrothal issue:

Both the king and the countess are in their 30's, and the countess is already married. I suppose the betrothal started in their childhood. And even though it says 'wife' under her name, they are not married to each other. This has happened quite a bit in my games.

 

[Vox Imperatoris]

Can someone clarify just what is the situation with matrilineal marriages in this mod?

What happens if you are playing a female character? Is your heir part of your dynasty unless you are usurped? Or is it like vanilla, where the child is part of the father's dynasty no matter what? Apparently, there is a bug where female rulers will accept any matrilineal marriage offer, correct? Do men accept matrilineal marriage offers from women?

Basically, I want to know if it is possible to play as a woman without it being game over.

 

[Damocles]

Thank you so much.

I will eventually update my own mods to the lastest version, but for now I'm waiting for the big update on mid December.

BTW, do I have to merge files with different names such as "ao_combat_pulse.txt" in on_actions folder from other mods with 00_on_actions.txt of this mod? They seem to share the same entries.

You can leave ao_combat_pulse alone, unless it has an on_death, or divorce entry inside it, that's identical to the one you see Damo.90 or Damo.91 in the original. I don't think it does...I think it's a CK2+ thing?

Honestly, I can't be sure, if that's the case. One of the things about CK2+, is that Wiz seems to have designed it to be as incompatible as possible with everything else. And I say that with all the admiration of someone who was deeply impressed and inspired by CK2+, but who gave up on ever integrating or building off it, as one can with PB+SMWH.

As others have found out, since Wiz left, (those that have tried to keep the mod updated going forward), picking up where Wiz left off, is almost as difficult as making your own mod from scratch.

Here is an example of the betrothal issue: View attachment 95797

Both the king and the countess are in their 30's, and the countess is already married. I suppose the betrothal started in their childhood. And even though it says 'wife' under her name, they are not married to each other. This has happened quite a bit in my games.

I understand. The issue seems to be with the nature of the is_betrothed condition. Simply put..there are quite a few conditions that don't actually work as well as they should. I think because the devs didn't use them for anything, so it never got the second pass it needed.

I've brought this to the dev's attention, and I'm also going to work on it more. But it might be best, for now, to delete the ai_betrothal decision for now. It won't break anything else.

It's very frustrating to me too. Since there is literally no reason for the decision to not be working, except for is_betrothed not being accounted for properly. I want it to be a mistake on my end, cause then I can fix it. But if it's because is_betrothed just doesn't have hardcoded functionality, (or maybe it's only function for = yes, but not = no...some are also strange like that), then I'd have to get way more inventive about fixing it. It's definitely on my radar, along with another rare bug fix.

I'm also releasing something very soon, which I think will blow some socks off, that's been demanding a bit more attention, admittedly.

Can someone clarify just what is the situation with matrilineal marriages in this mod?

What happens if you are playing a female character? Is your heir part of your dynasty unless you are usurped? Or is it like vanilla, where the child is part of the father's dynasty no matter what? Apparently, there is a bug where female rulers will accept any matrilineal marriage offer, correct? Do men accept matrilineal marriage offers from women?

Basically, I want to know if it is possible to play as a woman without it being game over.

The situation with matrilineal marriage is as follows:

1) Female AI will accept matrilineal marriage offers from anyone. The game doesn't let us play as barons or courtiers, but any human count+ will get a matri marriage with any AI woman.

2) The reverse isn't always true for female nobles seeking matri marriages from male nobles.

3) Historically, matrilineal marriage didn't (and doesn't) exist in Europe. I don't know why it's in the game. It's strange, and it makes the AI do weird things, if defines.lua isn't modified to make them place a greater emphasis on the rank and prestige of their partner...which keeps female nobility from mass marrying their male lowborn courtiers. I didn't include a defines.lua because it would make it incompatible with most mods...but I will release one specially for PB+SMWH+VIET soon.

4) Nothing else about matri marriage is changed from the base game because amazingly...we don't even have the ability to discern between regular or matrilineal marriage. There is no trigger and no condition. The game treats matrilineal and regular marriage identical. Muslims not being able to use it is hardcoded.

5) I have reasons to believe that this will change within a patch or two from now, and that it will no longer be an issue going forward, so I'm optimistic and not too concerned. It just is what it is for now.

 

[highsis]

You can leave ao_combat_pulse alone, unless it has an on_death, or divorce entry inside it, that's identical to the one you see Damo.90 or Damo.91 in the original. I don't think it does...I think it's a CK2+ thing?

Honestly, I can't be sure, if that's the case. One of the things about CK2+, is that Wiz seems to have designed it to be as incompatible as possible with everything else. And I say that with all the admiration of someone who was deeply impressed and inspired by CK2+, but who gave up on ever integrating or building off it, as one can with PB+SMWH.

As others have found out, since Wiz left, (those that have tried to keep the mod updated going forward), picking up where Wiz left off, is almost as difficult as making your own mod from scratch.

The fie is actually from additional objectives.

Thanks again. It's now working perfectly.

 

[Damocles]

The fie is actually from additional objectives.

Thanks again. It's now working perfectly.

There's a version of AO though, that CK2+ implemented, and I remember it being as a separate file. But I'm glad it's working!

 

[lutharien]

It's very frustrating to me too. Since there is literally no reason for the decision to not be working, except for is_betrothed not being accounted for properly. I want it to be a mistake on my end, cause then I can fix it. But if it's because is_betrothed just doesn't have hardcoded functionality, (or maybe it's only function for = yes, but not = no...some are also strange like that), then I'd have to get way more inventive about fixing it. It's definitely on my radar, along with another rare bug fix.

If it's indeed the problem, you can correct it. Instead of is_bethrothed = no, you can write NOT = {is_bethrothed = yes }. But in the objective files the objective to get married works with is_bethrothed = no, so I am not so sure.

 

[Damocles]

If it's indeed the problem, you can correct it. Instead of is_bethrothed = no, you can write NOT = {is_bethrothed = yes }. But in the objective files the objective to get married works with is_bethrothed = no, so I am not so sure.

Yep, I know. I'm gonna get to the bottom of it soon.

The end result might shape up as something which eschews coded betrothal, in favor of an early marriage, handled by event. But we'll see.

 

[highsis]

I've just had an event in which my daughter asked for an intervention against her husband trying to take her title. I didn't see that coming.

I love this mod.

 

[Ethan194]

Interesting will give this a try.