Wonder if there will be some way to reward and punish vassals.

[Swarm lover]

So im super hyped for overlord but there is one question that has crossed my mind. Will there be actual ways of punishing or rewards vassals? I thought of giving resources and stuff to vassals but apparently you cant do independent trade deals with your vassals.

Like all i see if you fail in your rebellion is you get put back under the overlords thumb but no real long lasting impact you just wait and try again.

Like in games like crusader kings and stuff the risk of rebellion for vassals is their entire family being put to the sword or having someone else take their place. But in stellaris that isnt possible as leaders dont really matter.

Same could be said for rewarding vassals. Like i wonder if i can like take worlds from other vassals and give them to that vassal as a reward for loyalty. Maybe Loyalty can be used to give positive effects to the vassal i dont know.

Just a bit worried vassals dont really risk anything by rebelling or gain anything by staying loyal.

 

[HFY]

Was this post inspired by the bad, naughty, disloyal Fox People in today's trailer?

Because they definitely need to be punished.

 

[Lorenerd11]

I thought of giving resources and stuff to vassals but apparently you cant do independent trade deals with your vassals.

Trading resources is still going to be an option.

 

[Swarm lover]

Was this post inspired by the bad, naughty, disloyal Fox People in today's trailer?

Because they definitely need to be punished.

It did come to mind because the idea of playing 2 sides sounds fun to gain your independence but i feel like there needs to be a provrbial axe over your head. Like when declaring war you really got to think if you are ready to commit before doing it as you stand to lose a lot but gain a lot.

 

[Swarm lover]

Trading resources is still going to be an option.

Huh weird i thought i read you could only trade rescources with vassals through contracts.

 

[Troyen]

I think the restriction is you can't trade a resource that's already defined in the contract. E.g. if your vassal is contractually obligated to pay you minerals and energy, you can't make them send you more minerals and energy in a trade deal, you'd have to alter the contract. But you can have them send you consumer goods or something instead.

 

[Swarm lover]

I think the restriction is you can't trade a resource that's already defined in the contract. E.g. if your vassal is contractually obligated to pay you minerals and energy, you can't make them send you more minerals and energy in a trade deal, you'd have to alter the contract. But you can have them send you consumer goods or something instead.

Ok well will have to check in game once its out.

 

[FleetMaster]

So im super hyped for overlord but there is one question that has crossed my mind. Will there be actual ways of punishing or rewards vassals? I thought of giving resources and stuff to vassals but apparently you cant do independent trade deals with your vassals.

Like all i see if you fail in your rebellion is you get put back under the overlords thumb but no real long lasting impact you just wait and try again.

Like in games like crusader kings and stuff the risk of rebellion for vassals is their entire family being put to the sword or having someone else take their place. But in stellaris that isnt possible as leaders dont really matter.

Same could be said for rewarding vassals. Like i wonder if i can like take worlds from other vassals and give them to that vassal as a reward for loyalty. Maybe Loyalty can be used to give positive effects to the vassal i dont know.

Just a bit worried vassals dont really risk anything by rebelling or gain anything by staying loyal.

See, this is an example why I was rooting for an Anti-Rebellion Weapon™ (later changed to a surface-based WMD):

Stellaris Dev Diary #250 - Elevating Civilization

Greetings! Last week’s dev diary went through the new Enclaves in Overlord, the Bulwark, some more Holdings, and the Imperial Fiefdom Origin. This week we’re going to look at two constructions, the Scholarium, Specialist Holdings and a summary...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

 

[Troyen]

I knew I had seen a dev reply before, but it took a while to track down.

If an Overlord-Subject Agreement has a term relating to subsidies or tithes of a given resource, then trading of that resource by normal diplomacy is blocked.

A bit confused about something concerning vassal terms in overlord

So in here at 2:46 it talks about how the vassal will pay 15% of their basic rescource income to their overlord but i am confused about the getting 15% research production. So do they get like 15% of the overlords research? or is it like they...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

 

[hart30]

U can reward ur vassals by building overlord holdings, which are beneficial for them on their planets (and u also can punish them by building holdings which abuse them). In one dev diary i also saw a dev comment with a "lend fleet" option in the trade menue (but this one so far never was explained, so it might not make it into the release).

And not to forget - u are able to renogitiate the subject contract. So u can decide there to give the subject some of ur alloy/research/basic ressource/special ressource incomr. Or u can punish them by making the contract more unfair.