@Wiz: Overwhelming Force / Armageddon

[Mitchz95]

If traditions are not locked by ethos, how will this bombardment option work for pacifist empires?

They can't wage war if they're all dead.

 

[smjjames]

My only concern is: if this is a better version of full bombardment that everyone potentially has access to... Does it mean that a Militarist empire's unique feature becomes obsolete if they complete this tradition? Not to mention everyone else can get it too? If you watched the livestream yesterday and split-frame paused to read the tooltips you'd notice full bombardment is tied to the Militarist ethos.

So if they really want to make ethics feel more distinct, I hope it's not just a straight upgrade to "more efficient full bombardment" but rather something that has a different and more situational purpose.

We don't know if pacifist empires actually have access to it. Though it would be nice to have ways for pacifist empires and those that don't have the militarist ethos to say 'GTFO this planet!'

 

[Cruxador]

I'm thinking this is more of the "kill pops, destroy buildings" thing, since Wiz said that wrecking planets won't be in 1.5.

If traditions are not locked by ethos, how will this bombardment option work for pacifist empires?

I assume you get it regardless, since you paid for it. A bit incongruous, but it's your nation's cultural tradition regardless of government ethics. And if you're taking supremacy, you're weird pacifists anyway.

 

[smjjames]

Though if it IS available for pacifist empires, there could be a happiness penalty to using it.

I'm thinking this is more of the "kill pops, destroy buildings" thing, since Wiz said that wrecking planets won't be in 1.5.


I assume you get it regardless, since you paid for it. A bit incongruous, but it's your nation's cultural tradition regardless of government ethics. And if you're taking supremacy, you're weird pacifists anyway.

Hopefully there are ways to tell pops to leave a planet/habitat if you're a pacifist empire that don't involve purging or bombardment. I know theres the ability to consume pops, but I have no idea if that's ethos restricted.

 

[terrycloth]

Though if it IS available for pacifist empires, there could be a happiness penalty to using it.



Hopefully there are ways to tell pops to leave a planet/habitat if you're a pacifist empire that don't involve purging or bombardment. I know theres the ability to consume pops, but I have no idea if that's ethos restricted.

'Displacement' is one of the styles of purging pops. I think it's slower because they aren't actually dying (conceptually at least). Probably need to be authoritarian pacifists to use it though.

 

[jdrou]

It's not the same at all, though.

Tomb worlds can still be colonized and terraformed.

And currently pre-FTL species can turn their planet into a tomb world so should certainly be possible for FTL empires to do it.

 

[Meneliki]

Hopefully they don't allow people to use this to circumvent the 'genocidal' malus from mass purging, (i.e. cleanse planet) which is what this kindof sounds like. (i.e. must have purging allowed in order to do this/incurs same penalties as purging)

 

[Secret Master]

I was so hoping that the flavor text was "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure..."

You can't make that decision, because...

 

[Meneliki]

You can't make that decision, because...

........."They can bill me!" -Ripley

 

[terrycloth]

Hopefully they don't allow people to use this to circumvent the 'genocidal' malus from mass purging, (i.e. cleanse planet) which is what this kindof sounds like. (i.e. must have purging allowed in order to do this/incurs same penalties as purging)

There's a 'terror bombing' modifier for killing pops via bombardment.

 

[klingonadmiral]

And by the power bestowed on me by the God-Emperor of Blorgkind, I hereby declare this world EXTERMINATUS.

Something along these lines, I think/hope

In fealty of the God-Emperor, our undying lord, and by the grace of the Golden Throne,

I declare Exterminatus upon the Imperial world of >>insert planet name here<<

I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire world, and consign >>planet population<< souls to oblivion.

May Imperial justice account in all balance.

The Emperor Protects

 

[Kat Tsun]

GLASS THE XENOS!

planet_class pc_glass

 

[PhoenixDown]

Exterminatus in stellaris. I like it.

 

[Cri11e]

My only concern is: if this is a better version of full bombardment that everyone potentially has access to... Does it mean that a Militarist empire's unique feature becomes obsolete if they complete this tradition? Not to mention everyone else can get it too? If you watched the livestream yesterday and split-frame paused to read the tooltips you'd notice full bombardment is tied to the Militarist ethos.

So if they really want to make ethics feel more distinct, I hope it's not just a straight upgrade to "more efficient full bombardment" but rather something that has a different and more situational purpose.

Good point, very valid. Maybe it could have some kind of cooldown and resource cost.

 

[ringhloth]

My only concern is: if this is a better version of full bombardment that everyone potentially has access to... Does it mean that a Militarist empire's unique feature becomes obsolete if they complete this tradition? Not to mention everyone else can get it too? If you watched the livestream yesterday and split-frame paused to read the tooltips you'd notice full bombardment is tied to the Militarist ethos.

So if they really want to make ethics feel more distinct, I hope it's not just a straight upgrade to "more efficient full bombardment" but rather something that has a different and more situational purpose.

It's still unique in that you don't have to spend a ton of unity, and wait a long time, to get there.