Wiz, I'm very upset with you.

[frolix42]

It also makes for more strategic gameplay than "Revoke Privilegia, Declare War," in any case:

Who else thinks that in a future patch enacting the final HRE reform should be made into a good thing?

 

[grommile]

Who else thinks that in a future patch enacting the final HRE reform should be made into a good thing?

That's... difficult to achieve, with the game mechanics as they stand.

 

[frolix42]

That's... difficult to achieve, with the game mechanics as they stand.

Paradox could make the Revoke the Privilege reform form the HRE (essentially removing it). Simply leave out the intermediate step which gives you 20+ free vassals and is much better than finishing it. It's just a thought, in multiplayer games I play, house rules say you MUST form the HRE after Revoke the Privilege ASAP.

 

[pkderek]

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
Wiz <3 <3 <3 <3
TACK SÅ HEMSKT MYCKET!
Vassals that do things in their interest, it seems! To far away, not threatening my territory, meh!
Now vassals and nations i PU should try to gain independence!
Vassals bigger/stronger together than their protector joint-action-independence war! For the next time. Starting to get integrated try to get a last chance of independence.

I find the opposite true, as once they are integrated they usually revolt if I'm running some OE or what not. I mean let's face it most of the time when you're annexing something it isn't going to be accepted Culture or even Religion after a certain date.

 

[Gustav91]

I find the opposite true, as once they are integrated they usually revolt if I'm running some OE or what not. I mean let's face it most of the time when you're annexing something it isn't going to be accepted Culture or even Religion after a certain date.

Yes they still don't try to throw you over but I am waiting for it to happen. Vassals that don't help when it's just pain no gain is a part of the path.

 

[brifbates]

Paradox could make the Revoke the Privilege reform form the HRE (essentially removing it). Simply leave out the intermediate step which gives you 20+ free vassals and is much better than finishing it. It's just a thought, in multiplayer games I play, house rules say you MUST form the HRE after Revoke the Privilege ASAP.

Just break the extra vassals exploit. If a nation doesn't start the game as a member of the HRE (or is a revolter from a member) then it counts as a regular vassal once the privilege is revoked. Voila, problem is resolved, at least from the exploit it to WC perspective.

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

Just break the extra vassals exploit. If a nation doesn't start the game as a member of the HRE (or is a revolter from a member) then it counts as a regular vassal once the privilege is revoked. Voila, problem is resolved, at least from the exploit it to WC perspective.

Yes. Because coring, converting, releasing vassal, gather IA, lose a war and then finally get "free" vassal is such a huge "exploit". It's like having a "i-instantly-get-1000000000-gold-in-WoW-button" or something like that.

While we are at it please enlighten us what happens when you hit 100 provinces with any other nation but Russia, Italy or Ottomans that are emperors and have second slot in admin NI. Maybe you think it's "fun" to wait about 2 decades to core a single province. If you push it it could so that you are coring a *single* province for ~2 decades because of the base tax.

All that in a "WC perspective".

 

[Imgran]

That's... difficult to achieve, with the game mechanics as they stand.

Make revoking the priviegia give you PU partners instead of vassals would be a good start.

 

[InnocentIII]

Colonies already give you manpower.

Not colonial nations, right? They give us like 2c/mo and 50% trade power, but manpower? It's one of the reasons the whole Random New World has been disappointing to me. Not awful, just not great, is that colonizing just creates self-releasing vassals. That should make the end game more interesting, but as someone who rarely plays much past 1700 anyway I mostly miss the old MP source (got past 1780 as Morocco and could not coax any European CN to even think about independence, hopefully that gets changed a bit).

 

[ikkiks]

Make revoking the priviegia give you PU partners instead of vassals would be a good start.

I can only imagine the chaos. 10 wars of independence all of a sudden, feels like CK2.