Wiz, I'm very upset with you.

[hauptman]

So my second all out WC atempt is a flop. Not from bad planning, or anything I did... It's all Wiz's fault. He broke the vassal AI with the changes in 1.4.

In 1.3 vassals would hapily run from granada to go besiege Korea. Now, if it's more than 5 provinces away, forget about it. All of my central German vassals in my current game have been doing a whole bunch of Nothing... which is unfortunate, because thats where both Brandenburg and Prussia are. =(

Here is everyone standing around while a war "rages" in the east. I started 2 wars, one against aragon, and another vs Nogai and Oman at the same time. I sent all my troops to aragon, because aragon stronk. And my french vassals helped a ton... but even Italy was passive. Here I just finished my war in spain, and I start heading my troops east to help out. But as I look over at the other war, There has been a total of 3 provinces besieged as all my vassals stand around waiting (i presume for one of my stacks to get the checkbox clicked).

 

[V1ribus]

This is perhaps the only thing I don't like about the 'attach' checkbox; if it's unchecked and your nation is large enough, allies (vassals especially) are prone to doing nothing. As a result I decided to make many 1 regiment armies and use them to 'collect' my vassals/allies and take into the war myself..

 

[Xara]

Maybe they're just not going 17 relations over the limit to get military access now.

 

[ErikHeinrichs]

So my second all out WC atempt is a flop. Not from bad planning, or anything I did... It's all Wiz's fault. He broke the vassal AI with the changes in 1.4.

In 1.3 vassals would hapily run from granada to go besiege Korea. Now, if it's more than 5 provinces away, forget about it. All of my central German vassals in my current game have been doing a whole bunch of Nothing... which is unfortunate, because thats where both Brandenburg and Prussia are. =(

Here is everyone standing around while a war "rages" in the east. I started 2 wars, one against aragon, and another vs Nogai and Oman at the same time. I sent all my troops to aragon, because aragon stronk. And my french vassals helped a ton... but even Italy was passive. Here I just finished my war in spain, and I start heading my troops east to help out. But as I look over at the other war, There has been a total of 3 provinces besieged as all my vassals stand around waiting (i presume for one of my stacks to get the checkbox clicked).

Noticed this as well. They just refused to move on Russia but they didn't have any issue to carpet siege Poland and Lithuania for me. Could be something to with military access. But that might be totally wrong as well because i owned bordering land from Anatolia to Perm as Ottomans when i was at war with Russia.

My vassals didn't have an issue either carpet sieging Castile and Portugal while full size France (my ally) was in between.

So yeah, maybe there is an issue with the normal "nah, i'll just stand on this spot until God (the player) reloads the game".

 

[unmerged(804580)]

I'd like an explanation at least as well. Are they meant not to leave their neighborhood? Because I am experiencing similar things with my colonial subjects refusing to leave their side of the continent.

 

[Imgran]

Yeah, if they have nothing better to do at home your CN's really should help you with your wars in Europe.

 

[Xara]

I'd like an explanation at least as well. Are they meant not to leave their neighborhood? Because I am experiencing similar things with my colonial subjects refusing to leave their side of the continent.

Ohh, right. Wiz mentioned something about this earlier. It's probably some goof like the Protectorate behaviour applying to vassals as well. Or else intended to.

 

[Golladan]

I believe I read something in the 1.5 patch notes that will make your vassal's armies (and the AI in general too) stand around less and do more stuff. Or maybe it was the other way around >.>

 

[aitaituo]

Yeah, if they have nothing better to do at home your CN's really should help you with your wars in Europe.

I laughed out loud for over a minute.

 

[SAS]

LOL Colonial Nations fighting in Europe!!!

 

[xyra]

vassel Persia did siege russia and PU Algier also siege russia. however it took quite some time for them. they arrive ussually at the end of the war where i am already trying to create the new borders of my country. However i am playing sunni ottomans the good old conquest styl. Not the HRE vassel army. And as i bordered all, persia, algier and russia, there is at least a little bit difference of the map.

Maybe AI doesn't consider land from junior war partners as walkable land if they calculate wether to send armies or not?

 

[DrLulz]

Yeah, if they have nothing better to do at home your CN's really should help you with your wars in Europe.

[Sarcasm] Yeah... just like they did in real life [/Sarcasm]... The colonists staying in their colonies sounds entirely reasonable to me.

 

[Selvas]

Well, as unreasonable would be sending troops to europe by CNs, it would be nice if california send its heavy ships to blockade far east asia ports.

 

[ikkiks]

Sometimes vassals just won't move on their own, even if they are quite close and have access to the enemy.

I'm playing Otto, have Bosnia (annexed Serbia), Croatia, Byzantium, Candar and Syria as vassals. I'm at war against Austria and for whatever reason Byzantium, Candar and Syria won't move their troops at all, unless I send a small army with "attach to this unit" close to them. It's becoming a really annoying requirement in every war...

 

[TheBloke]

Colonial Nations not sending troops to other continents is WAD, as well as being completely logical.

The vassal behaviour is I'm sure not WAD and will hopefully be resolved. I think 1.4.1.1 is a bit better already, I will test it a bit more thoroughly later today.

 

[anomalacaris]

No I'm really impressed with Wiz.
I think it's better to just complain about the feature itself.
You know I just came from CK2 side and there is a Wiz appreciation thread there...

AI programming is really hard work. Thinking is much easier than making something else think, especially when that something isn't equipped to think in the first place.
And remember EU is with so much complicated rule that some humans find it hard to learn!

Wiz has been very helpful, providing insights to how AI (and other stuff) works and also try to listen to our feedback. I truly appreciate that.

 

[Wizzington]

The distance AI will get access for will be increased a bit, but really your vassals aren't supposed to trek across asia for you.

 

[zodium]

It also makes for more strategic gameplay than "Revoke Privilegia, Declare War," in any case:

The distances are a bit larger than hauptman makes it sound--generally, Central European vassals will go as far as European Russia, and Persian vassals as far as India, but no further (unless forced to attach). The name of the game is to use direct conquest to develop a critical mass of vassals that can overpower any targets within their range, then move the bulk of your forces elsewhere to start a new vassal region.

 

[Junuxx]

I have the opposite complaint. I wish I could tell my vassals to stay at home in wars I can easily win by myself. But instead they send their entire army to "assist" me somewhere far away while their own country falls to the rebel scum.

 

[Yoshijoe]

I noticed this in my England game as well, Spain and France were under my PU, but when I was at war with the emperor, Spain and sometimes France would just keep their troops home, even though they didn't even have to ask for access from someone.