Wiz, for the love of all that is good and holy, fix this please

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Can't reproduce on my end, there's no big red box in the province interface.
 
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How about consistent culture naming as to exo- endonymic? Any opinions?
 

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Can't reproduce on my end, there's no big red box in the province interface.

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Can't reproduce on my end, there's no big red box in the province interface.

Hi, Mr Wiz

I updated the first post with detailed step to reproduce the issue (which is not related to the big red box) and suggested fix :)

Hope that helps,

Best Regards,

Darkath.
 

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Thats false. First usage of this term predates back to 1557 from Hieronymus Wolf, and got quite popular in second half of XVII cent.
(note: I'm not arguing that it's a correct name, just pointing out the fact, that this term was in fact used during EU4 timeline).
Well... that's still 104 years after the fall of the empire, isn't it?
 

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Thats false. First usage of this term predates back to 1557 from Hieronymus Wolf, and got quite popular in second half of XVII cent.
(note: I'm not arguing that it's a correct name, just pointing out the fact, that this term was in fact used during EU4 timeline).

Byzantine is a historographic term we use to refer to the Empire. It was the name of city before Constantine changed it. The Empire itself still refered to itself as the Roman Empire, with some contemporaries refering to it as the Greek Empire due to its increasingly Greek, as opposed to Latin, culture.
 

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Well... that's still 104 years after the fall of the empire, isn't it?

The term still existed in the EU timeframe which is what was discussed here. Contrary to "cosmopolitain" which started to appear towards the end of the XIXth century (and is actually a bad form of the adjective "cosmopolite" which was coined in the XVIIth century).

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The term still existed in the EU timeframe which is what was discussed here. Contrary to "cosmopolitain" which started to appear towards the end of the XIXth century (and is actually a bad form of the adjective "cosmopolite" which was coined in the XVIIth century).

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I'm not discussing the name of the culture (if it was replacing it with several other cultures, it would be different). Sorry, but that's something that i have no interest what so ever.
I'm just saying that the name "Byzantine Empire" is a bad example, because that name was given well after the fall of Constantinople.
 

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Hi, Mr Wiz

I updated the first post with detailed step to reproduce the issue (which is not related to the big red box) and suggested fix :)

Hope that helps,

Best Regards,

Darkath.

I tried to follow your STR and clicked Toulouse but I don't see any 'Cosmopolitaine' culture so I guess it's fixed on my end!
 
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I'm not discussing the name of the culture (if it was replacing it with several other cultures, it would be different). Sorry, but that's something that i have no interest what so ever.
I'm just saying that the name "Byzantine Empire" is a bad example, because that name was given well after the fall of Constantinople.

Hi, please see below the full conversation you have been replying to, the keyword is "EU era".

The word didn't even exist in the EU era.

Neither did "Byzantine", yet we have a whole empire named after it...

Thats false. First usage of this term predates back to 1557 from Hieronymus Wolf, and got quite popular in second half of XVII cent.
(note: I'm not arguing that it's a correct name, just pointing out the fact, that this term was in fact used during EU4 timeline).

Please note that i have no interest what so ever in "Byzantine Empire" since this is not the topic of the discussion/
 

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Since Cosmopolitan can mean a place (or culture) composed of different elements of the world (or here of cultures) and that Cosmopolitaine actually mean Cosmopolitan French (as in Cosmopolitan culture in the French culture group).

My take is that Cosmopolitan is a mix of all French cultures (Occitan/Norman..) in the game and of cultures not represent in the game and included in the name (Angevins, Picards, Champenois etc.).
In that case the use of Cosmopolitaine is appropriate.

Also for those who suggest Francien/Francilien instead please note that it's just as an anachronic use than Cosmopolitaine as the world appeared in the XIXth century. And specifically for Ile-de-France (who simply were named French or Parisian French or François) not the other regions represented by Cosmopolitaine.

The only non anachronic word to describe Cosmopolitaine that comes on my mind is Frankish (Or Francs to used a French word again) even tough the use of Frankish has started to decline in the start of EUIV and fell completly in use by the end of the game.
 
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I tried to follow your STR and clicked Toulouse but I don't see any 'Cosmopolitaine' culture so I guess it's fixed on my end!
He wants to say its fixed with the next patch, won't he? Of course this is DLC only content, and it will just be enabled by a tick in the Options, and we will be punished by a dev Diary in which is explained why Cosmopolitaine is perfectly correct.