Wiz fix this suicidal AI please

[delpiero1234]

Is the AI really this stupid? Why does OPM Salzburg declare war on Austria, Brunswick, Burgundy, Cologne, Münster, Mantua, The Papal State and The Hansa? Seriously this suicidal AI behaving needs to stop. Now.

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[balmung60]

They're doing it because they have a huge ally who can curbstomp Austria, Brunswick, Burgundy, Cologne, Münster, Mantua, The Papal State, and The Hansa all at once without breaking a sweat and whom, were it an AI, would almost certainly come to their aid based on the relationship and diplomatic reputation and trust factors.

 

[delpiero1234]

Well I was mean and decided not to help poor Salzburg by declaring war on The Papal States which prevents me from honoring Salzburgs CTA lol.

AI should think if it can win before declaring war on the Emperor of the HRE.

 

[Sir Iain]

They think they can win, because they have strong allies. That Italy looks like a nice Empire. It should have no problem defeating Austria.

I've done the same as Gelre against Burgundy, And right now I'm doing it as an Irish minor against England. It's not suicidal. It works...most of the time.

 

[gajop]

Oh please, as if you never declared a war you couldn't win yourself. AI shouldn't just assume humans are douches.

 

[delpiero1234]

They think they can win, because they have strong allies.

It's stupid to completely rely on your ally. I would never declare a war on an enemy 50x times my size just because I have 1 strong ally. The AI shouldn't do something this stupid. Now Salzburg is a vassal of Austria. Good job!

 

[Trickrs]

It's stupid to completely rely on your ally. I would never declare a war on an enemy 50x times my size just because I have 1 strong ally. The AI shouldn't do something this stupid. Now Salzburg is a vassal of Austria. Good job!

That's a must to survive as a OPM, especially as a Dutch minor.

 

[delpiero1234]

Why do you guys not agree with me that Salzburg's move was dumb? I can't believe this is something we have to argue about. It's crystal clear that as an AI OPM declaring war on all the above listed countries is a stupid move considering Bavaria and Italy were their only allies. Austria occupied Salzburg before the Bavaria forces were able to really do any damage to Austria.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

They actually trusted you to honor the alliance, possibly because if you were being played by an AI, it would.

 

[Beagá]

Why the hell you have na OPM as ally to start with?

Also it´s not like you can´t win that war. Yes you have 2000 MP but just get some mercs. Or wait for the AI to carpet siege and wipe stacks to raise warscore ASAP. And the allies of the AI nations might not ALL come to war.

 

[delpiero1234]

They actually trusted you to honor the alliance, possibly because if you were being played by an AI, it would.

No the AI wouldn't have joined the war either.
Take a look at the screenshot.
My manpower is completely depleted and my war exhaustion is at 1.90- I just finished a war against the Ottomans that Salzburg refused to join. I am having a negative income and furthermore Salzburg should not rely on an ally to win their war. If you want to play war then be prepared for it.

Do you think the AI conquered Portugal, Aragon and Spain for me? No. So why should I engage in a huge and costly war for an ally that never joined any of my offensive wars?

Why the hell you have na OPM as ally to start with?

Also it´s not like you can´t win that war. Yes you have 2000 MP but just get some mercs. Or wait for the AI to carpet siege and wipe stacks to raise warscore ASAP. And the allies of the AI nations might not ALL come to war.

I didn't want Austria to conquer them and I would have protected Salzburg in a defensive war but I certainly won't risk my soldiers for AI stupidity. I don't really need allies - the only reliable ally in my game is GB and sometimes Bavaria. Salzburg was my 3rd ally. None of my other allies did so stupid moves. Salzburg deserved to get vassalized by Austria (I liberate them in a few years..)

 

[andriy.gerasika]

I receive so much joy on declining such call to arms. It is a revenge for all stupid AI alliance behavior.
p.s.
anyways I never help AI in their wars...

 

[delpiero1234]

I receive so much joy on declining such call to arms. It is a revenge for all stupid AI alliance behavior.
p.s.
anyways I never help AI in their wars...

Helping the AI in wars can be a good idea. For example early game Bavaria helped me a lot so when they decided to expand themselves I helped them, too. Now they are still very strong and help me fighting my enemies. They are a loyal "medium" power. However, the wars that Bavaria started were not suicidal. Salzburg's move was just plain stupid.

 

[Beagá]

Bad move, trust is not something you waste. It´s not aobut the prestige but the trust.

Anyway, lesson learned - use Guarantees instead of alliances to keep trigger happy stupid OPMs from attacking

 

[delpiero1234]

Bad move, trust is not something you waste. It´s not aobut the prestige but the trust.

Maybe you reread what I did. What I did was smart because I did not waste trust and I avoided the war with all these nations.

As I said I declared war on The Papal States and so when I "honored" Salzburg's CTA nothing happened because you cannot fight one and the same country in two separate wars. Salzburg remained my ally until they got utterly defeated and vassalized. The Papal State was allied with Austria, too but all in all that war was much smaller and easily won.

 

[unmerged(763389)]

Why do you guys not agree with me that Salzburg's move was dumb? I can't believe this is something we have to argue about. It's crystal clear that as an AI OPM declaring war on all the above listed countries is a stupid move considering Bavaria and Italy were their only allies. Austria occupied Salzburg before the Bavaria forces were able to really do any damage to Austria.

The question is why you are allied to Salzburg when you don't have the courage to help them. I vote for instant worldwide coalition against Italy and permanent Peasant War in Italy.

AI is getting used soooo badly by the player, just have some love for them and help them blob a bit.

Besides that, most of the time I wish my AI-allies would declare more wars, especially against countries I can't get a CB.

 

[delpiero1234]

AI is getting used soooo badly by the player, just have some love for them and help them blob a bit.

I helped Bavaria blob cause they helped me, too. Salzburg didn't help me ever. And I have the courage to defend them when they are being attacked but I don't think I should win their wars for them.

 

[deezee]

Yeah I mean, I've played games as OPMs in which I abused alliances with large states, it's nice to see the AI is ambitious enough to do the same even if it didn't work out for them.

 

[wetblowdryer]

I frankly do not see the problem here.

Salzburg thought you would honor the alliance and they went declaring war. I'm sure if you (Italy) was controlled by the AI, that alliance would have been honored.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Giving such allies is great. It's vassal feeding before you get the vassal; just make sure they're still in a digestible bit-size and then pick them up at that point.

Also, DoW based on allies is reasonable.