with regards to protestant pope string of events

[Don_Quigleone]

I wouldn't call the 200 ducat thing that big, hey but as long as it all works... but what about with regards to counter reform church? I understand that the papacy et al. should go protestant becaus an actual change has taken place in the church, the whole protestant name thing is a bit unfortunate but what are you going to do (although reformed sounds like a better name for the new church why not switch them around?) I also hope that splinter religions will be preserved in the extra slot, and as a side note splinters of orthodox could also join the catch all reform slot, and if they go to another religion (catholicism say) we could just have an event fire that stops it, what you think mikl?

 

[MattyG]

All,

I understand where you are coming from, by naming the Catholic Church the Catholic Church, even it is transformed by luthers writings and personality.

But his was an essentially different look at christianity, which (and I summarise here) emphasized faith over idolatry. The two ways of faith were different enough then to create wars, and were attractive to different cultures.

Thus the in-game modifiers are essential identifiers for the differences in christian worship. Protestantism was called protestatntism because they were initially associated with protest, but it was a very different interpretation of the bible to that of the leading Roman Catholic popes of the time. They were however not neccesarily more 'conservative". Actually, in many regards, less so. And both religions - after the Thirty Years war - were equal in stability.

I would argue that catholic faith is retained by Bavaria/Brandenburg/Poland/TO because they retain a more traditional (less educated?) view of their faith. But with Luther, the church becomes (in-game) protestant. This is important, and it's important that the in-game modifiers stay. The 200 ducat bonus for become Protestant is - however - no longer correct, but I understand this to be something we cannot revise.

I don't think the 25 ducats per province is inappropriate. Part of the reforming of the church is giving up some of its wealth, levies and priviledges.

The reason I don't want to have the Church change its tag UNTIL after Luther is that we are looking at a LOT of administrative work. Changing every single nation and province. Gack.

Plus, when a country changes religion it breaks all royal marriages, all alliances, all vassalages and lowers realtions, not to mentions stability hits all round.

So, these ought not to happen until the big division at the end of Luther's period.