With every new patch, this forum gets -2 stability

[Stategem161803]

I'm relatively new to PDox games myself. CKII was my first, EU4 my second, and Vicky II my third (got it last week :happy. Bout 1000 hours in total.

Do their patches usually change things so much? It seems like for other games I've played in the past, patches make very marginal changes. Pdox patches, however, can change core aspects of the game. It's a different approach and I'm wondering where it comes from.

I'm not complaining by the way. Other than bugs added with new features in new patches, I, for the most part, favor any/all new additions.

 

[Korashy]

The problem is that every patch they undo the changes of the previous patch. Since 1.0 we've been going back and forth changing the same thing. It's not fun when you get used to a patch and then everything goes back to what it was previously. It feels like the devs have no idea in what direction they wanna take the game besides a new expansion.

 

[Mortheim]

Oh, and they fix exploits with every patch (sometimes adding new).

 

[LiberiusX]

AE/coalitions seems to be the issue people are complaining about most since 1.1 at least.

I don't know why the Paradox's fixation is on AE. Over extension is the mechanic that should be used to constrain snowballing empires. This would be more historically accurate AND more intuitive.

However, Giant coalitions are "exciting" compared to mass rebellions and revolutions and the politics that causes them. Due to its fixation on the concept of conquest and war, I want to argue that EU4 gets more shallow with every patch, but I will hold judgement until WoN.

 

[Teodosio7]

No, AE is fine. Coalitions provide a decent challenge: EU4 is perhaps the first Paradox game where I didn't just steamroll everything and quit for boredom.
Don't worry about the whiners: they seem so many just because they are very vocal, but in reality they are just a few people that should ltp. Maybe, if Paradox people feel really generous, they could create a "arcade mode" option for EU4 in order to make the whiners happy. But IMO AE and OE are fine as they are in 1.5.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

No, AE is fine. Coalitions provide a decent challenge: EU4 is perhaps the first Paradox game where I didn't just steamroll everything and quit for boredom.
Don't worry about the whiners: they seem so many just because they are very vocal, but in reality they are just a few people that should ltp. Maybe, if Paradox people feel really generous, they could create a "arcade mode" option for EU4 in order to make the whiners happy. But IMO AE and OE are fine as they are in 1.5.

And people wonder why I'm a jerk. It's hard not to be with this kind of trash lying around everywhere.

Once you understand the mechanics, coalitions actively remove challenge, and make progression more linear on top of that.

 

[jii]

^I wonder if this is supposed to be a troll

edit: referred to teodosios ridiculous and inflammatory post

 

[TheMeInTeam]

^I wonder if this is supposed to be a troll

edit: referred to teodosios ridiculous and inflammatory post

You can't tell, because that's how a lot of people actually feel, despite that they couldn't explain the underlying mechanics to you if their life depended on it (I have seen several coalition defenders make utterly inaccurate statements about how AE works for example). I usually just respond however I feel.

I would honestly have a higher opinion of humanity in general if all such posts were deliberate trolling efforts...but most of them are not.

 

[shaldon]

And people wonder why I'm a jerk. It's hard not to be with this kind of trash lying around everywhere.

Once you understand the mechanics, coalitions actively remove challenge, and make progression more linear on top of that.

An explanation or reference to the appropriate thread would be nice - I'm interested.

 

[unmerged(763389)]

You can't tell, because that's how a lot of people actually feel, despite that they couldn't explain the underlying mechanics to you if their life depended on it (I have seen several coalition defenders make utterly inaccurate statements about how AE works for example). I usually just respond however I feel.

I would honestly have a higher opinion of humanity in general if all such posts were deliberate trolling efforts...but most of them are not.

And people wonder why I'm a jerk. It's hard not to be with this kind of trash lying around everywhere.

Your posts make me sad, they are so desperate and often full of anger.
I hope you get well again soon.

 

[Brawler]

i stopped playing since 1.3 still waiting for the game mechanics to be finalised... T_T Judging how polished CK2 was after I first purchased it with 3-4 expansions had already been released I believe the same will hold true for EUIV.

 

[Solo4114]

It's because Sweden gets a lot of comets.

 

[Stategem161803]

It's because Sweden gets a lot of comets.

This

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Your posts make me sad, they are so desperate and often full of anger.
I hope you get well again soon.

Don't run my persona.

 

[hwoosh]

Your posts make me sad, they are so desperate and often full of anger.
I hope you get well again soon.

Attacking TheMeInTeam for his attitude, rather than the content of his assertions is a sly distraction; he's actually by and large correct on the issues, but it's so much easier to attack him for being abrasive than to actually engage with what he's saying, isn't it?

 

[Enewald]

When it comes to a games forums, you have to remember that most of the people who buy the game enjoy the game quite much and have little reasons to go spend time on the forums. It is hard to be hooked to the game and be on the forums simultaneously. So only a small percentage of the players end up whining here, whilst most are happy with the way things are and see no reason to engage in forum action.

As for how things used to be; patches have never been this big in the past except for maybe some occasional blasts. But the games have also been growing in size over the decade, so now there is always more stuff to be patched and fixed.

 

[Korashy]

When it comes to a games forums, you have to remember that most of the people who buy the game enjoy the game quite much and have little reasons to go spend time on the forums. It is hard to be hooked to the game and be on the forums simultaneously. So only a small percentage of the players end up whining here, whilst most are happy with the way things are and see no reason to engage in forum action.

As for how things used to be; patches have never been this big in the past except for maybe some occasional blasts. But the games have also been growing in size over the decade, so now there is always more stuff to be patched and fixed.

I would assume that pdox games actually have a higher than average forum participation.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

When it comes to a games forums, you have to remember that most of the people who buy the game enjoy the game quite much and have little reasons to go spend time on the forums. It is hard to be hooked to the game and be on the forums simultaneously. So only a small percentage of the players end up whining here, whilst most are happy with the way things are and see no reason to engage in forum action.

As for how things used to be; patches have never been this big in the past except for maybe some occasional blasts. But the games have also been growing in size over the decade, so now there is always more stuff to be patched and fixed.

It's a flawed theory. You nor anybody else here have any idea who does or does not enjoy the game when they don't come here. How many play it for a bit then stop playing quickly? Why did they stop playing? How does it compare to other games on average, including across patches?

You don't know that. You have no data on that to present your assertion in a meaningful way whatsoever. Assuming that dissent is a vocal minority is every bit as baseless as assuming that people who stopped playing after 1.5 came out only did so because of the changes; completely worthless.

However, calling people whiners and not backing up your statements *does* appear to be a representative sampling at least, regardless of sides. So, "congrats" on finding your way into that demographic.

 

[arthurs towel]

Actually there is some evidence that a majority of players aren't up in arms. The game has sold in the 100's of thousands, and the number of people actively complaining are, well, not. Most of those players also play for a long time too

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...er-Kings-Have-Average-Play-Times-of-190-Hours

Take the stats with a grain of salt if you must, but the fact is a vast majority of players play for a long time, and feel no need to complain on the forums. This isn't to say they like every change.

 

[Enewald]

It's a flawed theory. You nor anybody else here have any idea who does or does not enjoy the game when they don't come here. How many play it for a bit then stop playing quickly? Why did they stop playing? How does it compare to other games on average, including across patches?

You don't know that. You have no data on that to present your assertion in a meaningful way whatsoever. Assuming that dissent is a vocal minority is every bit as baseless as assuming that people who stopped playing after 1.5 came out only did so because of the changes; completely worthless.

However, calling people whiners and not backing up your statements *does* appear to be a representative sampling at least, regardless of sides. So, "congrats" on finding your way into that demographic.

Why would someone who enjoys the game fulltime spend time coming to Eu4 forums? Sure, this happens from time to time, but a vast majority of players are happy to play the game without ever coming to post on the forums. There is no incentive to post here for the content gamer.

As for true statistics, there are always some Steam data that exist concerning average playtime spent per player on Eu4.
I'm not assuming that dissent is a vocal minority, no one will ever know that information.

People start and stop playing for a variety of reasons. Patches come and go, most people will keep playing this game over the years to come. Best thing about Paradox is that if some patch is not good in your opinion, you can always mod it to suit your tastes.

There is always some whining happening on these forums, trust me.
Hundreds of thousands of people have been sure their brilliant idea is much better than what the devs scripted into the game.

I'm not sure into what demographic I belong. I visit mostly AARland and OT. The gaming forums have been getting more brutal over the years as wave after wave of new fanbois hits the shores. I thought it was bad with HoI3, but Eu4 forums seem quite dark and bloody too.