Is there any way to get rid of the council and make it like it was pre-conclave where there is just the counselors?
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With all these options... Conclave Council?
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The only difference between abolished council power and councils without conclave is your powerful vassals get butthurt if they're not on the council but you get +2 demesne limit. Totally worth it.
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Yeah, except when you accidentally name councelor someone you owe a favor to, and he tries to empower the council as fast as he can, even if it's your heir/wife/concubine/crappy baron
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Can councilors use a favor to call in a vote to empower the council when they can't even vote? I've never seen it happen; I always thought the council could only be empowered by the ruler's prerogative or faction demand. In any case, simply replace the uppity vassals with abject yes-men who will give you your power back five years later.
I'm starting to wonder exactly how much the average CK player struggles with vassals.
A +2 to demesne limit in a small realm is exceptionally powerful. Take Ireland, for example. +2 would guarantee control of either another entire duchy or deeper control over a secondary barony holdings. Meaning, you would rarely have serious enough faction strength against you. A middle sized Kingdom like England would be tougher to completely dominate but between clever management of vassals and a strong demesne, still capable of smacking down revolts. Which would be infrequent.
Really, it's only large kingdoms or recently acquired empires with poor/scattered holdings that would prove to be a challenge to keep subdued. Though, once an empire gets organized and developed, it's usually not that hard to deal with vassals.
I've never bothered with abolishing authority though. It's useful to have war declaration committee in an Empire with multiple kings, you can lock down king-vassals from factioning for more council authority and then use said king-vassals to crush the revolts from other dukes. Plus the council system itself is also easy enough to manage.
A +2 to demesne limit in a small realm is exceptionally powerful. Take Ireland, for example. +2 would guarantee control of either another entire duchy or deeper control over a secondary barony holdings. Meaning, you would rarely have serious enough faction strength against you. A middle sized Kingdom like England would be tougher to completely dominate but between clever management of vassals and a strong demesne, still capable of smacking down revolts. Which would be infrequent.
Really, it's only large kingdoms or recently acquired empires with poor/scattered holdings that would prove to be a challenge to keep subdued. Though, once an empire gets organized and developed, it's usually not that hard to deal with vassals.
I've never bothered with abolishing authority though. It's useful to have war declaration committee in an Empire with multiple kings, you can lock down king-vassals from factioning for more council authority and then use said king-vassals to crush the revolts from other dukes. Plus the council system itself is also easy enough to manage.
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The thing that makes abolishing consul worthwhile excercise is ability to institute imperial government. That gives you 25 vassal limit, meaning that you can raise centralisation to max w/o risking going overboard or needing kings. And vassal kings are pure evil outside of gavel kind realms.
I wouldn't presume this one way or the other, average player probably never posts on this forums.
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Was giving my own experience more than anything. After a few hundred hours the challenge just goes away.
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I either kill them all and take everything they own, only to give those lands to my dynasty members.
Or I give myself enough power that even if every vassal does rise up against me, I can still beat them and play a happy tyrant.