Wishlist for the first patch

[Infocalypse]

I know that the game is not out, but if it behaves like the demo, aside no savegames, no free ruler choice and 20 years limit, there is a few small things that struck me:

• Sometimes a player gets events where he makes claims to himself. This is a minor bug but should be fixed, as it just looks silly as hell.
• It should be possible to declare war without a casus belli. Just with great repercussions to prestige, piety and relations.
• You should be able to demand from another lord to punish a member of his court when you have proof of plots against you/your subjects. If he does not comply, this should give you a casus belli with the war goal of imprisoning the plotter.
• One should always be able trying to dispose people via a plot on whom's titles one has a claim. I always wonder who I can attempt to get murdered, for I do not even know why I would want that.
• I try to assassinate someone and get caugt and everything that happens is that I loose some prestige and others like me less? No excommunication, no event chain fired?
• Make Harold of England's army stronger and change the start setting a bit. Remember he was able to beat Harald Haralda at Stamford Bridge with the army he had and William had not landed his troops by that time. But even to William's troops his were a close enough match to make the battle go lo and forthe. I think it would be better to just give William a ton of money, so he can hire Mercenaries (which he did) and do not let him start with troops already on boat or shore and Harald's troops already loaded on the ships for transfer. This should make the battle for England more realistic and fun.
• Allow conquerors of king or duke titles to demand of their vassals to convert to their culture. If not, that's a casus belli to force them.
• Make messages easier to read. I once made a bethroal offer for my son to a duchess and when they marry the marriage is suddenly matrilinear? It was so hidden between the lines, that I didn't even notice that.
• Make it more appealing to play a loyal vassal. How? When your liege goes to war, give a diplomatic option to allow him to raise your personal levy. If you do, this should give you prestige and improve your relations.
• Improve the ledger. How? Add small icons like in EU3 on top that allow you to directly go to the page you want.
• Modifiy the Diplomatic map mode, so you can see not only who you are allied and at war with, but also countries you or one of your vassals has claims on you can press.
• Make it possible to see the tech levels of your demense like in CK1.
• Improve the county overview: Show in it who has claims to it.
• (Make it possible to) Autodeploy non-fitting holdings like churches and towns to vassals without having to do it manually each time.

If I'd pondered longer, the list would have a few more points, but one has to start somewhere.

 

[Svip]

It should be possible to declare war without a casus belli. Just with great repercussions to prestige, piety and relations.

I disagree. I believe this to be a great game mechanic, because otherwise we have to rid the lax military access system. Because otherwise you will have situations where crusades occurs and Muslim nations walk all the way through Europe and establish Sultanates in Holland and Belgium. Which was actually a problem in CK1.

Allow conquerors of king or duke titles to demand of their vassals to convert to their culture. If not, that's a casus belli to force them.

Their culture? That's a bit dramatic. If I obtain the King of Sweden as Denmark, I should now force all Swedes to be Danes? That should certainly get me unpopular.

Make messages easier to read. I once made a bethroal offer for my son to a duchess and when they marry the marriage is suddenly matrilinear? It was so hidden between the lines, that I didn't even notice that.

Essentially you accepted a proposal without reading the fine print? Still, a warning would not hurt.

 

[Dsuke]

• Make messages easier to read. I once made a bethroal offer for my son to a duchess and when they marry the marriage is suddenly matrilinear? It was so hidden between the lines, that I didn't even notice that.

If they send you the actual marriage proposal it will, in such a situation, of course be for a matrilineal marriage. When betrothing the young ones there should IMO be an option to choose what sort of marriage it is about.

 

[Tsungun]

Pretty sure that most problems found in the demo have been fixed for the release version.

 

[Infocalypse]

Their culture? That's a bit dramatic. If I obtain the King of Sweden as Denmark, I should now force all Swedes to be Danes? That should certainly get me unpopular.

Not the peasants, I don't think you should be able to do that, but the rulers. Each ruler has a culture and he can decide to change it himself if his liege is of a different cultural group. It is like swearing fealty to the new king "Yeah, I accept your customs and culture, if you just let me have my land and title." I think that's reasonable for a ruler to demand from his vassal lords after he has conquered their crown.

 

[Svip]

Not the peasants, I don't think you should be able to do that, but the rulers. Each ruler has a culture and he can decide to change it himself if his liege is of a different cultural group. It is like swearing fealty to the new king "Yeah, I accept your customs and culture, if you just let me have my land and title." I think that's reasonable for a ruler to demand from his vassal lords after he has conquered their crown.

Riddle me this then; what would be the benefits of doing so?

 

[MasterofMagic]

•It should be possible to declare war without a casus belli. Just with great repercussions to prestige, piety and relations.

No because this is what would lead to vast exploitation of conquered lands and one of the problems with CK1 was the player got too much land too fast. Plus, this would lead to vast puny wars that vassals would make and that would lead to just mass confusion. So, no there shouldn't be free declarations of war without cause, mainly being claim or invasion.

•You should be able to demand from another lord to punish a member of his court when you have proof of plots against you/your subjects. If he does not comply, this should give you a casus belli with the war goal of imprisoning the plotter

No, because that is what assassination attempts were and are for in this game. If you have a problem with someone you don't have a claim on them then you must use alterior motives and tactics. Assassination is in the game for a reason....to also prevent wars.

•Make Harold of England's army stronger and change the start setting a bit. Remember he was able to beat Harald Haralda at Stamford Bridge with the army he had and William had not landed his troops by that time. But even to William's troops his were a close enough match to make the battle go lo and forthe. I think it would be better to just give William a ton of money, so he can hire Mercenaries (which he did) and do not let him start with troops already on boat or shore and Harald's troops already loaded on the ships for transfer. This should make the battle for England more realistic and fun.

The game is not about being historically accurate it's about playing a dynasty and dealing with what happens in front of you NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Thus, it doesn't matter who wins what when as opposed to history it just matters that things happen and you have to deal with the situations.

•Allow conquerors of king or duke titles to demand of their vassals to convert to their culture. If not, that's a casus belli to force them.

No because that's like saying convert to muslim from christianty or I will kill you after already taking all your lands and property. Pretty silly and most would just rather have their heads cut off or burnt at the stake. Remember Joan of Arc?

•Make messages easier to read. I once made a bethroal offer for my son to a duchess and when they marry the marriage is suddenly matrilinear? It was so hidden between the lines, that I didn't even notice that.

Learn to take your time and read the "FINE PRINT". Only mistake there was by you.

•Make it more appealing to play a loyal vassal. How? When your liege goes to war, give a diplomatic option to allow him to raise your personal levy. If you do, this should give you prestige and improve your relations.
•Improve the ledger. How? Add small icons like in EU3 on top that allow you to directly go to the page you want.
•Modifiy the Diplomatic map mode, so you can see not only who you are allied and at war with, but also countries you or one of your vassals has claims on you can press.
•Make it possible to see the tech levels of your demense like in CK1.
•Improve the county overview: Show in it who has claims to it.
•(Make it possible to) Autodeploy non-fitting holdings like churches and towns to vassals without having to do it manually each time.

These ^ I agree with.

 

[Slaxl]

I think the invasion CB victory name suffix of "...the conqueror" needs to be toned down. You can get an invasion CB on a one province county and receive the honorific "Me the conqeror". Seems a bit much. There must be a way of determining whether the invaded party is substantial enough to warrant being a conqueror. Or are they counting on no one spending that much piety to get an invasion CB on a one province minor count?

 

[rpstrategist]

Legacy graphics - please.

Also, are these worth being merged ?

 

[Garbon]

Ability to change county capital (unless I'm missing something) so that you don't have to give away provinces that have cities or temples as capital.

 

[unmerged(448336)]

This is a minor request, but I'd like to be able to see my own characters opinion of others, in the same way that I can see their opinion of my own character. It's not really a big issue, but it makes it a bit quicker to tell how I "should" be treating other characters .

 

[Overlord123]

I think the invasion CB victory name suffix of "...the conqueror" needs to be toned down. You can get an invasion CB on a one province county and receive the honorific "Me the conqeror". Seems a bit much. There must be a way of determining whether the invaded party is substantial enough to warrant being a conqueror. Or are they counting on no one spending that much piety to get an invasion CB on a one province minor count?

Maybe invasion should only be possible of Kingdoms and Empires.

 

[Infocalypse]

Riddle me this then; what would be the benefits of doing so?

According to the game mechanics, characters get along better with those of the same culture. E.g. the anglo-saxon earl that continues to call himself a Saxon after William of Normandy has taken over the land probably does so out of defiance of the new king.

The game is not about being historically accurate it's about playing a dynasty and dealing with what happens in front of you NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Thus, it doesn't matter who wins what when as opposed to history it just matters that things happen and you have to deal with the situations.

I know that historical accuracy can never be reached. But that's just plain nonsense. If the game was not about historical accuracy, why research dynastic trees? Why name characters after historical persons and why the heck play even on a map of Europe? The game start 1066 was chosen for a reason: The battle for England. If so, try to make it a bit more accurate. The adjustments I asked for are not out of the bounds of the game mechanics. They are just more historical accurate, what follows thereafter, of course, is totally ahistorical, else we would read a history book and not play CK2.

No because that's like saying convert to muslim from christianty or I will kill you after already taking all your lands and property. Pretty silly and most would just rather have their heads cut off or burnt at the stake. Remember Joan of Arc?

Now you contradict yourself: The game allows a liege to demand religious conversion of his vassals. So much to your example. Most people instead would prefer to live their lives. Few even in the middle ages were fanatic enough to have their heads being cut of only so they can continue saying meat instead of boef.

Learn to take your time and read the "FINE PRINT". Only mistake there was by you.

Of course it was my mistake, but a game that forces you to read the "fine print" is far from user friendly. A mistake a user might make when he sits a few hours before a screen, but a king would not, when he arranges the marriage of his son.

Furthermore I haven't in any way attacked anyone under the beltline. So please check your blood pressure before writing in an aggressive tone like that, which happens to be extremely rude. Thank you.

 

[MasterofMagic]

If the game was not about historical accuracy, why research dynastic trees? Why name characters after historical persons and why the heck play even on a map of Europe?

That's easy; To make it historically PLAUSIBLE, but, not so historically accurate with the outcomes. You wouldn't play it if Micky Mouse was the King of England probably. You have to have PLAUSIBILITY but you don't have to have historical accuracy.

I won't rebuttal your other replies since you can't seem to handle the pressure. But, at any rate it's pretty moot I'm pretty sure those changes won't take place.

 

[Dorevai]

I'd like to be able to hand family members land regardless of whether they're my vassal. Obviously that land must be contiguous with the land they or their liege owns to prevent tripping up the AI. I want to help my christian brethren in Spain, but I'm basically forced to conquer to stabilize the region, and then I'm stuck with the land until I can hand off a stable kingdom. Why can I not attack zaragoza and award it to the king of aragon? I love killing infidels, but I have no legal claim to the territory and would defer to the king.

 

[KevUK]

A few more interface enhancements, such as age on the tooltips, easier messaging notifications - I find I am missing stuff that is important with the high and low priority system, I dont know how they could do this though. Other than that, its a stable game, very.

 

[fenwayb]

Maybe invasion should only be possible of Kingdoms and Empires.

What about super duchies? (guys who hold multiple duke titles)...it just seems like you'd only be empowering them by granting them immunity from invasion cbs...

 

[flame7926]

That's easy; To make it historically PLAUSIBLE, but, not so historically accurate with the outcomes. You wouldn't play it if Micky Mouse was the King of England probably. You have to have PLAUSIBILITY but you don't have to have historical accuracy.

I won't rebuttal your other replies since you can't seem to handle the pressure. But, at any rate it's pretty moot I'm pretty sure those changes won't take place.

But you want the start to be historically accurate as possible. Which would give Harold more troops it sounds like.

 

[Jak9090]

MY WISHLIST!

1.) Please curb frances aggresiveness against spanish muslims.
2.) Please make a way to invade Byzantine as catholic. (Even if just for the player, could get messy for AI)
3.) Please add a little tooltip to the skull that shows someone is dead, it could show all their death information, when they die, how they die, etc.

 

[fenwayb]

But you want the start to be historically accurate as possible. Which would give Harold more troops it sounds like.

not even that...it sounds like fixing Harold would make the game (in England) possibly more fun, which is the important thing.