Wish: Non-ironman-saves while in ironman-mode

[Briloner]

Header says it all. It would be cool, to play ironman and keep playing it, while being able to save in between. Those saves would be non-ironman and would not grant achievements – just like normal saves.

Why? Well, if I united Italy as an Italian minor, I might want replay at that vital junction, whether to get colonies in the Americas or to go to India through Egypt. Or after beating up the French as Austria, I might be tempted to test, whether I could turn France around later, while at first remaining in the ironman, I started.

 

[Regergek]

Header says it all. It would be cool, to play ironman and keep playing it, while being able to save in between. Those saves would be non-ironman and would not grant achievements – just like normal saves.

Why? Well, if I united Italy as an Italian minor, I might want replay at that vital junction, whether to get colonies in the Americas or to go to India through Egypt. Or after beating up the French as Austria, I might be tempted to test, whether I could turn France around later, while at first remaining in the ironman, I started.

Then don't play ironman.That defeats the whole purpose of it, wtf?

 

[the.ront]

I can get behind this. It would also be handy for saving the state of things if I wanted to do an AAR.

 

[IEKevin]

Then don't play ironman.That defeats the whole purpose of it, wtf?

I think they are trolling

(The.ront wtf? if you wanted to do a AAR why with ironman just play without it like the quote above me said's that's defeats the whole purpose?)

 

[unmerged(147169)]

Can't you just turn off ironman during a game?

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

In practice, the suggestion would eradicate the entire idea between making achievements ironman only, as the player would at any time be able to save his ironman game in two versions, ironman and normal, and then test out his strategies in normal as many times he liked before returning to ironman and effectuating what his experiments showed what was the best strategy in practice - pretty much eliminating the idea of ironman mode in the first place.

Thus it is not going to happen.

 

[Illanair]

Can't you just turn off ironman during a game?

I assume it binds to the savegame - What with being saved/loaded from the Steam Cloud.

@OP : No? Don't play Ironman if you don't want to.

 

[MylesSCP]

Then don't play ironman.That defeats the whole purpose of it, wtf?

The point is to save an interesting time in a game so you can keep it for later without screwing up your ironman game. But it still probably won't work for the reasons Peter said above.

 

[Briloner]

Obviously I did not express myself clearly enough. When I play a game, I change the path as well of my country as of those of others – usually significantly as I might add.

From time to time this might lead to interesting alternative-history-scenarios. Just as mods add alternative scenarios or mechanics. Both would forfeit achievements, but would provide variety, which I like.

 

[unmerged(147169)]

I assume it binds to the savegame - What with being saved/loaded from the Steam Cloud.

@OP : No? Don't play Ironman if you don't want to.

Well I'm saying you can turn off Ironman and I would assume it just starts saving regularly (but you can't turn it back on). I don't know though, I'm just guessing.

 

[ABookshelf]

I'm not getting the point of this suggestion...why don't you just play non-ironman mode?

 

[Illanair]

The point is to save an interesting time in a game so you can keep it for later without screwing up your ironman game. But it still probably won't work for the reasons Peter said above.

And the consequence is being able to play Ironman, without Ironman consequences. You would be able to save before any important decision - try all outcomes, load up the Ironman game and then re-do the most optimal future.

 

[Misha Brianski]

My Documents/Paradox Interactive/Europa Universalis IV/savegames
Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V...

 

[MylesSCP]

And the consequence is being able to play Ironman, without Ironman consequences. You would be able to save before any important decision - try all outcomes, load up the Ironman game and then re-do the most optimal future.

Maybe they could lock the save until you finish your ironman game? But yes, that is the problem.

 

[Kljunas]

In practice, the suggestion would eradicate the entire idea between making achievements ironman only, as the player would at any time be able to save his ironman game in two versions, ironman and normal, and then test out his strategies in normal as many times he liked before returning to ironman and effectuating what his experiments showed what was the best strategy in practice - pretty much eliminating the idea of ironman mode in the first place.

Thus it is not going to happen.

What if we had the ability to change an ironman game into a normal one permanently? That would be a good compromise.

For example, if I feel I've accomplished everything I wanted in my ironman game and just want to screw around from that point (play as another country, use the console, etc.) I could "un-ironman" my game.

 

[Illanair]

My Documents/Paradox Interactive/Europa Universalis IV/savegames
Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+V...

You're assuming the Ironman savegame is even in the savegames folder during gameplay and not kept entirely in game memory waiting for upload.

 

[Atlanteax]

Ironman saves will go to the SteamCloud I believe.

 

[Misha Brianski]

You're assuming the Ironman savegame is even in the savegames folder during gameplay and not kept entirely in game memory waiting for upload.

At least, X-Com has saves in local directory. You just need copy/paste save-files while you're in game. That's how i made a most of ironman achievements in it. X-Com has cheat AI, so why i can not cheat?
I swear, i won't be cheating in EUIV. I can't be such bad with my lovest game

 

[Briloner]

Ok, ok, I guess my “brilliant” idea has cheat potential, I did not realize.

So yeah, forget it, you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.

 

[gord96]

What is Ironman? Just no more then one save per game?