Wish: Enhanced partisan Warfare

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Partisan warfare is not represented enough in HOI.
And this caused many unreality in the game.
For example: everybody knows that Japanese are diversionary in China because brave Chinese partisan kept attacking every town and villiazge that are captured by Japanese. So nearly 1,000,000 Japanese solders have to stay in China.
However, in HOI, only front warfield is representd, so when regular Chinese army are defeated from a province, the japanese don't need to leave army in that province. This is very un-real!!!
Matrix's War in the Pacific has done better in this, when Japanese capture a city, they must leave enough army in it, or partisan will attack the city, cause supply and other problems.
Wish to see this can be represented in HOI 2, Thanks

 

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Wish: Enhanced partisan Warfare

All partisans will be randomly checked prior to partisan activity.

Any partisan failing two screening tests will be disqualified and stripped of any gains...


BTW qy_panzer , good suggestion - suggested many times before

 

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I don't have too much leisure, so I didn't know that this was asked many times.
However, many of my friends have this idea for a long time.
BTW: What do your first two sentences mean? Are they some joke related with former threads?

 

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I don't have too much leisure, so I didn't know that this was asked many times.
However, many of my friends have this idea for a long time.
BTW: What do your first two sentences mean? Are they some joke related with former threads?

Sorry o My bad. You are English as a second language?

Think "Athens". Think "urine testing". I don't think partisans used to take Steriods or "Vitamins" but you never know.

By the way: No harm in asking a good question

 

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Hehe, I see.
I'm watching Olympic Games Now
English is my second language, so though I use English for a whole day to write a paper, I didn't realize you are using assonance for a joke

 

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Partisan warfare is not represented enough in HOI.
And this caused many unreality in the game.
For example: everybody knows that Japanese are diversionary in China because brave Chinese partisan kept attacking every town and villiazge that are captured by Japanese. So nearly 1,000,000 Japanese solders have to stay in China.
However, in HOI, only front warfield is representd, so when regular Chinese army are defeated from a province, the japanese don't need to leave army in that province. This is very un-real!!!
Matrix's War in the Pacific has done better in this, when Japanese capture a city, they must leave enough army in it, or partisan will attack the city, cause supply and other problems.
Wish to see this can be represented in HOI 2, Thanks

Yes, this was oddly missing from HoI. Parisan/rebel warfare is simulated sufficiently in every other game they have made - enough to cause you to realistically have to divert substantial troops just to keep the territories behind the front lines subserviant.

I think we just have to face the reality that they didn't just 'forget' to do it this time. There are a lot of politics behind this I think, the same reason other aspects of the game are missing. I've always had a problem with the fact that it was Okay to simulate massacering natives in Eu2 but not other european groups in HoI. However, posters are wise not to discuss this in specifics if they want to continue posting .

I hope that at the very least, partisan effects on infrastructure are modded, supplies going missing as they are on route to the troops.

Air convoys too? I'm ranting, I know.

- MVSN

 

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Hehe, I see.
I'm watching Olympic Games Now
English is my second language, so though I use English for a whole day to write a paper, I didn't realize you are using assonance for a joke

Don't feel bad about it. No one understands his jokes.

 

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Well...

In some games, partisans are hard codedly appearing at Yogoslavia and Russia. In some games they work like rebels in EUII (Random).

It is hard to represent them, especially those not very well organized, but just squads of soldiers banging everything with a black cross on it...


And of course putting in partisan squads on some abstracted level, would call for collective-punsihments on some abstracted level, and those are just half a step away from terror bombings, ethnic cleansings and all the other not-so-happy side-effects of a war...

So in a closure if only division-level partisans will be in, it will be a tough job representing them somewhat correctly, without horrible hardcodings, a`la "Russia and Yogoslavia only"...


As for some "Leaving troops behind" -ideology, see: This thread. (Although not directly about Partisans those occupationary forces include partisan fighting in some level, and at least it is better than nothing.)

 

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Don't feel bad about it. No one understands his jokes.

Huh? What do you mean?

What does he mean by that?

Does anybody know?

 

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I like the idea of partitians, But should they be represented by a unit? partitians could be a group of 20 men Destroying infrastructere attacking small convoys....

So how would the work? Would there be a message telling Partian attack -10infrastructure -1 industry -8 supplies or? And should you the be able to set a division and search for partisians?

germany recruted a whole SS division to search for partisians.

 

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Ack!

Noooooooo!

Not again! Please search for the old threads - please

 

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oow thats one of the reasons i dont play Victoria anymore.
Partisan rebbels attack my citys all the time.
I dont know how Napoleon managed to get all the way to Moscow without any problems in German area and Poland. Suddenly you will need to add a division in every province wich nobody would enjoy!

 

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oow thats one of the reasons i dont play Victoria anymore.
Partisan rebbels attack my citys all the time.
I dont know how Napoleon managed to get all the way to Moscow without any problems in German area and Poland. Suddenly you will need to add a division in every province wich nobody would enjoy!

agree, that is in some games missused to a degree that is not fun to play.
Rebels/partisans appearing out of nowhere in numbers and times that are total illogical. Guess the BB rating is too high and to make a challange fotr the player more and more of this happens.

If partisans should be in the game should there also fighting against each other as in real life, stalinist partisans against ukrainian partisans, yugo partisans as examples. And how do you reflect the terror spiral between SU partisans and German forces in one gruesome act after the other in which the civilians where those that suffered the most. Touchy subject, if they are in the game, abstract them as part of logistical penalty nothing more.

 

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I dont know how Napoleon managed to get all the way to Moscow without any problems in German area and Poland. Suddenly you will need to add a division in every province wich nobody would enjoy!

Are you saying that Napoleon didn't have any probelms in, say, Germany or Poland then? The power of the French First Empire did not extend beyond their bayonets.

IMO, it is quite crucial that the harmful effects of Partisans, especially on supply lines, are represented in the game. Judging from the nature of the new logistic/supply system in HoI 2 I see very little chance of partisans not being in the game though.

 

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Was that napoleons problem? Didnt he had relatives on the thrones of Poland Germany etc.

 

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Was that napoleons problem? Didnt he had relatives on the thrones of Poland Germany etc.

Maby they knew what was going to happen to his Armies in Russia.. so they waited untill they were dead then attack everything!

 

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Maby they knew what was going to happen to his Armies in Russia.. so they waited untill they were dead then attack everything!

just noticed your smart!!! (maybe it because im High on sugar!!) :rofl:

I want caaaaaaaaandy!!!!!!!

 

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just noticed your smart!!! (maybe it because im High on sugar!!) :rofl:

I want caaaaaaaaandy!!!!!!!

Too bad other people dont think so. Im like this Forums clown!

 

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Too bad other people dont think so. Im like this Forums clown!

no your not!! Your more like the best person (after me) in this forum!!

 

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no your not!! Your more like the best person (after me) in this forum!!

What about Wämö?
:wacko: