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Wipe out Germany in 9 days
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First of all, I am not OP, I was accused of cheating in completely different contexts (only two of those were HOI 4). The reaction to OP just reminded me of that.
Secondly, ironman is a poor guard against anybody who wants to make more than the smallest effort to cheat. You can trivially bypass its anti save-scum by simply using copy/paste, and there are multiple ways to break the game (either with external software or just in-game exploits). Knowing this, I assign the "ironman vs not" very little weight in whether a post/tactic/guide is plausible, and find it kind of amazing that anybody still thinks it's significant. It basically just means someone didn't use the console, it doesn't even kind-of mean they didn't cheat.
Even ignoring spy tactics or similar, HOI 4 has had all kinds of ironman-compatible broken nonsense in it, like having both concentrated and dispersed industry bonuses at same time or using airplanes to generate infinite manpower. Ironman means (almost) nothing.
I see it in reverse, that reactions to this suspect it as cheating as first conclusion were the immature conduct. People from any country can cheat, be it China, USA, or Sweden etc. We can evaluate this by looking at what was accomplished and reverse engineering it.
Fortunately, OP already made such a guide in another thread. It was a nice gesture from him and a good contribution to the community, especially given some of the initially hostile reaction for something that I'd expect numerous players here to be capable of doing. People have conquered the world long before '41 with various nations, so absent any other context the idea that ~450 factories by '41 as USSR was likely to be cheating as an initial reaction seems absurd to me.
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The reason I don't use Iron Mode
is Because there is a small amount of randomness to the process
I have done everything possible to reduce randomness,
such as
not using any declaration of war,
not using any spy system
The only randomness of the process is that the last decision
for <gobi strategy> has a small chance of being rejected
(about 25% i think).
I don't want to have to play again just for the sake of randomness,
not using iron mode i can load the save and click decision again
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The reason I don't use Iron Mode
is Because there is a small amount of randomness to the process
I have done everything possible to reduce randomness,
such as
not using any declaration of war,
not using any spy system
The only randomness of the process is that the last decision
for <gobi strategy> has a small chance of being rejected
(about 25% i think).
I don't want to have to play again just for the sake of randomness,
not using iron mode i can load the save and click decision again
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Great work, love the guide and have tried it myself.
Just curious, I assume you are playing in China? Maybe I am misinformed, but is the game (hearts of iron HOI) still banned in China? You mentioned a Chinese community on Bilibili. Are there many Chinese HOI players in China? Is the game popular?
It is great to have a Chinese community for this game.
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I'm going to put together a video at some point... Just need to stop playing so many MP games and get down to it.
PDX doesn't support Chinese localisation so he needs to use a mod for it. Localisation mods change the checksum, hence why no achievements.
EDIT: Forgot that the OP writes already at the very beginning of his post that he had Germany fully strengthened, i.e. sliders maxed out. That alone already disables achievements.
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In fact Paradox game
Victoria ii, EU series ,The CK series , The stellaris ,Hoi2-3-4
They are popular in China, (Of course can not compared to those CS:Go and LOL ... ect )
No more than half a month after the game or DLC went on sale, people gathered and translate them for free
People often make game videos of them, just like in youtube
There are so many videos with 1,000,000+ view counts
100,000+ view counts video is very common
But, Most recently, at this year, you can't search EU series,As Trolls start malicious tip-offs some games,
Many foreigners might think that our government here,
they are working very hard to monitor and censor all cultural products
In fact, the bureaucrats of ours are very lazy,
As lazy as most bureaucrats around the world,
As long as there aren't too many people tip-offs something,
the Bureaucrats don't care. They prefer to sit in their offices ,and do nothing
Like a sitcom,Some games are reported and banned for some inexplicable reasons
For example, a player has a quarrel with a fan of a pop music star
In the quarrel,He swore at the star
then the Fan of the star ,started gather a large number of fans to report the game
Then the game was banned
There are also games that get banned because trolls want to annoy people on the local game forums
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True. Also the fact you are using mods doesn't help things, I have seen many famous youtubers spewing about their great magnificient skills in-game when they are in-fact using mods which you can easily notice just by watching the said videos for 10 seconds (similar to these screenshots with Chinese localization). I am not saying that the thread creator is cheating or anything close to it, just saying that it doesn't help his case.
Regarding Industrial capacity I will have to re-make my initial statements and say that it is indeed easy to get about 350-400 factories before Barbarossa.
But it is heavily tied to:
1º Date Barbarossa starts. I have seen Barbarossa starting in December 1940 or during summer 1941 (on HISTORICAL). In one of my last games, Germany attacked in late 1940 before even killing Greece or Yugoslavia.
2º If the player actually wages war previously (which is what I always do, thus why I found the amount of factories sketchy).
Personally I find it much better to kill Japan before the 1940's and eat part/all of China before fighting Germany on historical. This will allow you to get desperate measures and a ton of cheap manpower which can translate itself into cheap infantry divisions running full mass assault doctrine. Not to mention increased naval prowess or industrial capacity gotten from Japan itself. And as I said, while this tactic is pretty good and all, once the air transports get fixed, the cheesy tactic shown by the thread creator will die fast, while other less-fishy tactics will still reign supreme.
Hell, I could kill Germany and/or Italy very easily just by landing a marine force via naval invasion with some high mobility units, even faster if using paratroopers in combination with that. But these crazy units with high stats and crazy high demand for supplies that can only be supplied by air transports will get fixed in no time.
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When you have a country with 1.4 billion people, ANYTHING is popular. Even things considered niche will get a huge consumer group.
Also would love to know how you (and almost every chinese player) are playing Hearts of Iron 4 since I was pretty sure the game was banned from China.
With Professor X having "trained" the X-men, I am pretty sure he knows the meaning of a "trainer". Nice one.
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I want to add that I get 400 factories by Summer '41 following an almost historical path. Three deviations from historical are:
1) I take all of Finland since I have to fight for it anyway.
2) I don't take Bucovina or Bessarabia because they are not worth the focuses.
3) The Republicans win in Spain. Although, this doesn't affect you except for the seized Spanish gold which you would get even if they lose.
I also do the 3rd FYP which is worse now (net +3% CG cost) and don't do the Gobi gambit. So, I am inclined to agree that OP's 400+ factories is possible if you chose more efficient national focuses.
Edit: I play on normal difficulty, while OP did it on elite.
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HOI2 and HOI3 are available on Steam as far as I remember
I can't buy the HOI4-origin-game directly from Steam, but I can buy the CD-key at any China online-shopping site, although I'm not sure how they get it, maybe the Hong Kong version? Then Input CD-key on Steam, and player can get the game
And , all HOI4-DLC can be purchase directly on Steam, DLC is not banned.
HOI4 is banned, but the level of ban is not serious - it was banned in order to fulfill mission metrics -Lower level bureaucrats pretend to "ban it", complete something to prove that they are actually doing something, they don't care if they are actually ban,Higher officials pretend to issue orders , so they are not responsible if things go wrong.
EU4 is currently banned in china-youtube side, But you can still live stream it ,And if no one reports, the EU4 video can still be posted.
HOI4 is currently banned in china-twitch-TV side ,you can't live steam it, but no baned on video .
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I couldn't help myself when i saw this picture.What a hipster combined with WW2 strategy would look like:
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It's been a long day, and I couldn't help myself when I read your post.
Just curious, wouldn't that open up a Scandinavian front as well, in addition to more coastline that you'll have to garrison behind the Stalin Line?
I tend to just puppet them since I get the inf eqpmnt when they capitulate regardless.
Have you had the opportunity to weigh opening the Scandinavian front vs gaining Finnish industry?
It does. I keep one army in at the Norwegian border. You'll need to build a rail line and a supply hub to keep them supplied. The AI doesn't seem to build supply hubs so the Germans on the other side will be out of supply if you take the port in Kirkenes. Take the port at the start of the war and then you can forget about the front if you wish. Because they have poor supply you can also advance with minimum casualties. You don't need to guard the coast line. Just use your starting fleet on patrol to block invasions.
The total cost amounts to 1 army (you can probably use fewer units but I didn't test it, remember that you need to be able to attack and take kirkenes), some length of railways, and a supply hub (see pic, ignore the 99% logistics it needs a day to recalculate). Compared to the historical outcome of Karjala and Salla, taking all of Finland gives you an additional 6 CIVs, 3 MILs, and 2 Dockyards.
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