Steele said:
or supplies from the USA - remember - we had huge supplies running into India - the hump.
Japan's supplies had to come from the home islands - remember all those American subs, planes and ships sinking 7/8 of the jap merchant fleet?
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or supplies from the USA - remember - we had huge supplies running into India - the hump.
Japan's supplies had to come from the home islands - remember all those American subs, planes and ships sinking 7/8 of the jap merchant fleet?
AngryCelts said:
still doesnt
never said he was a bad commander but still not top 25
RCH said:
Japan's supplies were coming from China. The reinforcements were coming from the home islands, but there was a lot of manufacturing of war material in Manchuria. Same difference I guess when it comes to transport into Burma, but it is a tiny, tiny, minute difference that warrants an unimportant post.
Yakman said:Japan's supplies were coming from China. The reinforcements were coming from the home islands, but there was a lot of manufacturing of war material in Manchuria. Same difference I guess when it comes to transport into Burma, but it is a tiny, tiny, minute difference that warrants an unimportant post.
Majority of Japan's weapons came from Japan, most of their fuel came from Dutch east indies, after they transported it back to Japan to refine it and then shipped back to the forces.
If your post meant anything about their Japan's supplies - if they only had to transport them overland from china - why were they starving?
The border between Burma and China was in GMD hands so supplying the Japanese forces from there seems extremely silly, especially given the Japanese were already living off the land in China to keep down the resource consumption. The Japanese were supplied from the Dutch East Indies, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea and Japan.
Captain Anson said:
Why so defensive? I didn't think all wars were part of this topic. This sounds more like your waving a patriotic flag than debating history here.
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Be fair.
EVERYONE is waving their own flag here. And all the ruffling of colours means no one can hear what the other guy is shouting about.
//AC
Jove said:
Be fair.
EVERYONE is waving their own flag here. And all the ruffling of colours means no one can hear what the other guy is shouting about.
//AC
AngryCelts said:
no basically one guy said someone was the greatest commander and almost everyone else said no he wasn't.
Speaking personally I would not rate Slim as the best British General of the War. If O'Connor had not been so unfortunately captured in the Western Desert then I think there would of been a commander to brag about. He really genuiniely understood armoured warfare in a way few commanders on either side did. Auckenlech is another contendor. Took the battered and broken eight army and turned it around to repulse Rommel at El Alamian. Or Montgomery, the man with the plan, He certainly won a lot of battles in his time and although he was critised for being slow he also made sure he never got beaten. As for Slim if you want to talk about achievement how about the fighting in the Arakan where Slim showed some real ability. He together with Lomax deduced the Japanese planand for the first time in Bruma campaign Britain didn't get beaten. A good commander I'd say, but not the greatest.
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If you are referring to Captain Anson, then he has certainly put forth the best supported argument thus far.
The counter-arguments might take some of the steam out, but his rebuttels have addressed those issues. No one has chosen to offer an in depth analysis in support of any other candidate.
A hand full of assorted names have been put forth - no more than 10. That would put Slim in the top 10. Taking into account the support offered by Anson, that pushes Slim even higher.
Having reviewed all the evidence presented thus far for and against the proposition that Slim was the greatest general of WW2:
The Court awards final judgment in FAVOR of Slim as one of the greatest, but not the greatest, Generals of WWII.
~Judge A. Celt
RCH said:
If you are referring to Captain Anson, then he has certainly put forth the best supported argument thus far.
The counter-arguments might take some of the steam out, but his rebuttels have addressed those issues. No one has chosen to offer an in depth analysis in support of any other candidate.
A hand full of assorted names have been put forth - no more than 10. That would put Slim in the top 10. Taking into account the support offered by Anson, that pushes Slim even higher.
Having reviewed all the evidence presented thus far for and against the proposition that Slim was the greatest general of WW2:
The Court awards final judgment in FAVOR of Slim as one of the greatest, but not the greatest, Generals of WWII.
~Judge A. Celt
AngryCelts said:
Actually, no. His rebuttals have consisted of calling other people liars and know-nothings, and repeating his initial statement, not backed up with facts, several times. He has also labeled as false several well-known incidents involving another talented general who defeated the Japanese on the Asian mainland.
He was a good general. No-one is really denying that. But he was not one of the greatest. And since you wanted some other names (not really in order, except Zhukov):
Zhukov
Rommel
Manstein
Guderian
Patton
MacArthur
Eisenhower
Montgomery
Mannerheim
Vatutin
You could put Slim at the end of this list if you wanted to.
Steele
Of course. I was just listing 10, because he complained that Slim wasn't in the top ten but no-one else had been mentioned.
Steele
Steele
I know. My point is that his argument "Oh no one mentioned 10 generals so slim automaticly is in the 10" was retarded.
Admiral, admiral, Airforce general. We (at least initially) were comparing Slim to the best land generals, or so I thought...
Steele
Steele
Steele said:
Okay. If that's where you want to keep it. Yamashita should be mentioned though.
I don't know about Yamashita. Maybe. He never had any really overwhelming victories, and was almost always possesed of superior air and naval support against enemies at the end or cut off from their supply lines.
Steele
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