The moderators advice to start a new thread if an older one is well... old already. You can still copy the relevant info and refer back with a link to the old thread, but if you necor an old thread they will just be locked so no point in doing that.I wouldn't have if it wasn't for that quote from Wiz. I haven't heard those numbers anywhere else and it seems bizarre that almost no one who owns Charlemagne ever plays the 867 or 1066 starts of CK2.