Will we be able to build pyramids as Egypt?

[IanReSc]

Thanks for clearing that up. I would have never guessed. Still, the point is valid. Hunters and gatheres went from nothing to building megalithic structures, before having mastered the building of much simpler things. Seems legit.

Of course that explains the fact, why those buildings exist that should not exist. The Sphinx showing signs of water erosion, when no rainfall of that extent took place in thousands of years. The fact that the younger pyramids get, the less professional the construction seems to be. Pyramids, at least the older ones, have been named Egyptian because who else would have built them? At therein lies the problem. The dogma must remain, no matter the proof.

 

[Thure]

Thanks for clearing that up. I would have never guessed. Still, the point is valid. Hunters and gatheres went from nothing to building megalithic structures, before having mastered the building of much simpler things. Seems legit.

Of course that explains the fact, why those buildings exist that should not exist. The Sphinx showing signs of water erosion, when no rainfall of that extent took place in thousands of years. The fact that the younger pyramids get, the less professional the construction seems to be. Pyramids, at least the older ones, have been named Egyptian because who else would have built them? At therein lies the problem. The dogma must remain, no matter the proof.

That are very vague proofs.... There was no 'from nothing'. They didn't start building this megalithic structures out of nothing. There were cities first, then this structes appeared.

Also you know that the Water erosion hypothesis is a lie? All serious egyptologist and geologists have rejected this theory. It's fake history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis

 

[Guedes]

It's exactly the same as career politicians in our world today - they have absolutely no idea or comprehension of how common people think and are very often surprised when they try to do something which seems perfectly logical to them, but is vehemently opposed by regular people.

Well, maybe on developed countries they are. I couldnt tell really. What i can tell is that on countries like mine (Brazil), politicians are usually the most corrupted people you can imagine walking under the sun. If one of the nowadays brazilian politicians were to build a pyramid, it probably would be severely overcost, like 10 times the planned value and it would be falling down on 10 years. Pretty much what happened to the 2014 world cup stadiums we built here....

 

[Kliwarrior]

I hope it will be possible to build Pyramids in Rome , because this would be definitely more relevant to the timeframe of I:R

Spoiler: Pyramid of Cestius - Rome - 12BC

 

[Samitte]

Not saying it was Aliens. Geologists stated on more than one occasion that the Sphinx is much older. Dating back to, maybe even prior the last ice age. There was most likely another human civilization before the Egyptians. Just look at all those ancient buildings all over the world that somehow seem to be linked in style, architecture, technique, age or the astronomical mathematics involved. We built on top of them, used what was left.

We, the modern human, is like 200.000 years old. For 195.000 years nothing happened and then all of a sudden we started building pyramids or other megalithic structures? We went from hunting and gathering to sending men on the moon in 5.000 years, but for 195.000 years nothing happened?

But we did do a crapton in that time. We developed, in no particular order: fishing, art, clothing, domesticating animals, spread all over the planet, farming, domesticating plants, currency, pottery, weaving, jewellery, pigments, belief systems, music, astrology, construction, writing, developed new and better and more specialised tools, war, hearths, metallurgy, architecture and probably some other stuff I forgot!... All before those 5000 years. Heck you can even squeeze in urbanisation, mathematics, social hierarchies, and probably some other things I forgot.

Sweet mother of mercy we did a LOT during that time period, including building megalithic structures for thousands of years before the last 5000. Just look at our closest cousins, they aren't even close to the level we were at 200000 years ago. Now I agree that the Sphinx still has a lot of mysteries we don't know, and might never know. And thats cool, we all have our secrets. But we certainly did not go "from hunting and gathering to sending men on the moon in 5.000 years."

The dogma must remain, no matter the proof.

But what proof do you have? There are a few fringe theories that I know of (my neighbour likes to share them a lot, though he believes the great flood wiped out the complex civilisation of the Atlanteans and that we had to start over again after that) but we know ancient peoples (certainly within the last 5000 years) were steadily developing complex mathematics needed to build these kinds of buildings. And they had the knowledge of the stars to align them.

So yes, who else had built the pyramids, since they clearly developed faster then we did if they had the capability to do so before the Egyptians.

 

[Guedes]

and probably some other things I forgot

To the matter of question, you forgot the most important; engineering.

 

[Samitte]

To the matter of question, you forgot the most important; engineering.

Haha yes that sure was an important one. As are medicine and chemistry.

 

[IanReSc]

But what proof do you have? There are a few fringe theories that I know of (my neighbour likes to share them a lot, though he believes the great flood wiped out the complex civilisation of the Atlanteans and that we had to start over again after that) but we know ancient peoples (certainly within the last 5000 years) were steadily developing complex mathematics needed to build these kinds of buildings. And they had the knowledge of the stars to align them.

People from 5.000 years ago had the knowledge to build the great pyramid in an almost perfect north/south east/west alignment? How? Why? How come pyramids are found all over the world, look pretty much alike when those cultures never intermingled? How come the older the structure, the more complicated its construction?

I am not saying Aliens, I am not saying Atlanteans, but I don't believe that the current dogma takes everything into account. Especially when it comes to Egypt and the questionable scientists in charge. Especially Zahi Hawass, who is a disgrace.

 

[Antediluvian Monster]

We should be able to build pyramids as Kush.

Agreed, the Kushites could have ability to build pyramids for their kings. If they become very rich they could even take stab at replicating the scale of places like Giza. Also it's not like Egyptians entirely stopped building pyramids, there are still few in Theban Necropolis to which Valley of the Kings belongs. But they were not used for royal tombs anymore.

Thanks for clearing that up. I would have never guessed. Still, the point is valid. Hunters and gatheres went from nothing to building megalithic structures, before having mastered the building of much simpler things. Seems legit.

Hunter gatherers didn't build the pyramids. Hunther gatherers became intensive agriculturalists, statred to practice public works (for irrigation, initially), evolved into complex strarified civilization, started building increasingly complex monumental tombs. Only then they built the pyramids, the first of which was still a step pyramid more familiar from elsewhere.

 

[Kliwarrior]

Not saying it was Aliens. Geologists stated on more than one occasion that the Sphinx is much older. Dating back to, maybe even prior the last ice age. There was most likely another human civilization before the Egyptians. Just look at all those ancient buildings all over the world that somehow seem to be linked in style, architecture, technique, age or the astronomical mathematics involved. We built on top of them, used what was left.

We, the modern human, is like 200.000 years old. For 195.000 years nothing happened and then all of a sudden we started building pyramids or other megalithic structures? We went from hunting and gathering to sending men on the moon in 5.000 years, but for 195.000 years nothing happened?

I believe that only an Alien civilization may have taught the Humanity to extract olive oil.
I mean, have you ever tasted an olive? The oil one, I mean?
It is absolutely disgusting! Moreover. by pressing a few kilos of olives you get just a stinky mush.
Who could ever think that pressing a lot and filtering the result you would have been able to get oil?
Only a very advanced interstellar civilization !!

 

[Guedes]

How come pyramids are found all over the world, look pretty much alike when those cultures never intermingled?

Did you knew that ancient mesoamerican civilizations used the same currency as some of the ancient eurasian civilizations; salt?

Some things, are just common sense to everybody, you know why? Because, in the end, we are all of the same species; humans. And we are doomed to think alike, doesnt matter if you born on Egypt, south america or on the moon.

It would be surprising if all those pyramids were totally different from one another.

 

[Thure]

Did you knew that ancient mesoamerican civilizations used the same currency as some of the ancient eurasian civilizations; salt?

Some things, are just common sense to everybody, you know why? Because, in the end, we are all of the same species; humans. And we are doomed to think alike, doesnt matter if you born on Egypt, south america or on the moon.

It would be surprising if all those pyramids were totally different from one another.

Also it's not surprising... Pyramides are on the of basic geometric shapes. In the same way you could ask why many buildings all around the world are cubes.

 

[Guedes]

Also it's not surprising... Pyramides are on the of basic geometric shapes. In the same way you could ask why many buildings all around the world are cubes.

Yep. You could say it to a lot of things. People just do this selective picks to try to force a common influence theory on this various different civilizations.

The salt example i heard from a teacher. He was a very religious men so obviously he said the common influence was god. If he was an atheist i guess he could say it was aliens too.

Even i being quite religious too i didnt fall for it. The common influence here is obvious; is our gens/dna/chromosomes or whatever you wanna call it. Civilizations around the globe are doomed to have strong similarities no matter what. Even ancient pagan religions have surprisingly similarities from civilizations without any sort of contact with one another.

 

[Samitte]

People from 5.000 years ago had the knowledge to build the great pyramid in an almost perfect north/south east/west alignment? How? Why? How come pyramids are found all over the world, look pretty much alike when those cultures never intermingled? How come the older the structure, the more complicated its construction?

I am not saying Aliens, I am not saying Atlanteans, but I don't believe that the current dogma takes everything into account. Especially when it comes to Egypt and the questionable scientists in charge. Especially Zahi Hawass, who is a disgrace.

We've had 200000 years of trial and error. And certain things are the same every year, like the sun coming up somewhere and taking its stroll across the sky before going down somewhere else. It is something that is quite easily observable. From there on start planning and calculating. Its not a hard shape to calculate, since its a square base and you build up from there, then plan out the interior. Plus, by the time we get to the Great Pyramid they've had quite a few tries at this already.

I don't see what you mean with pyramids all over the world looking alike, since outside of their extremely basic geometric shape, they are all vastly different. Is it really so hard to believe that ancient peoples would stack up stones in a way that is stable? Its basically a stone mound (and we have been building mounds for a loooong time) And I disagree with "the older the structure, the more complicated its construction". We went from stacking stones to cutting stones in the right shape and stacking them to building complex buildings of advanced materials.

I do however, agree with you on Zahi Hawass being a disgrace.

 

[grandad1982]

Let's see ,why would the pyramid be a common shape over the world? Hmmmm. Have you ever just made a pile of stuff (dirt, sand, whatever)? It forms, if not a pyramid then a cylinder. A shape that is stable and strong. Now I wonder where the idea for pyramids came from?

 

[Samitte]

Let's see ,why would the pyramid be a common shape over the world? Hmmmm. Have you ever just made a pile of stuff (dirt, sand, whatever)? It forms, if not a pyramid then a cylinder. A shape that is stable and strong. Now I wonder where the idea for pyramids came from?

We went through a lot of cylindrical buildings as well... Mostly built out of megaliths or stacked stones. Those didn't get that tall, Pi, which would be needed to calculate how to build a circular pyramid out of carved blocks of stone, wasn't invented yet until quite a long time afterwards. Plus, they already had square and rectangular buildings all over the place, including the mastabas.

Cylinders are much harder to make then pyramids. The margin of error there is so much higher, especially when you don't have Pi yet to do your calculations. So yes, pyramids are more common shapes because by all means they are much more logical to build at that period in time.

 

[alvaro]

I think ancient wonders would make a good nice-to-have in the game. if not the historical ones maybe a gargantuan version of the game's buildings.
as in the mega granary of halicarnasos or the magnae barracks of Massilia

 

[Woifee]

People from 5.000 years ago had the knowledge to build the great pyramid in an almost perfect north/south east/west alignment? How? Why? How come pyramids are found all over the world, look pretty much alike when those cultures never intermingled? How come the older the structure, the more complicated its construction?

I am not saying Aliens, I am not saying Atlanteans, but I don't believe that the current dogma takes everything into account. Especially when it comes to Egypt and the questionable scientists in charge. Especially Zahi Hawass, who is a disgrace.

Pyramids are pretty simple shapes. Give a 3 year old some legos and he will most likely build some sort of a Pyramide.

 

[wooby]

Wait Pyramids arent grain silos built by aliens.

its always nice that there are some that provide us with pseudo science and history.

but back to the OP

Cool would be if you could built monuments when you become powerful enough or at least steal them like the romans. Or a Tie in for events.

 

[King of Zoot]

Aligning buildings to the cardinal directions is trivial if you can see the sun.