Will we be able to build pyramids as Egypt?

[wetblowdryer]

A stupid thread with a stupid question, but please let me plead my case. Yes the Ptolemaic dynasty took the title of Pharaohs and they incorporated themselves into Egyptian religion, but they were not truly Egyptian and probably didn't have the public support and level absolutism Pharaohs like Khufu enjoyed. Also, they were wealthy, but didn't control as much wealth as the Old Kingdom. The last pyramid was built somewhere in the Middle Kingdom, more than 1,000 years before the game even starts (iirc). The pyramids as we know them were built about 2,000 years before the game even starts and would be considered ancient ancient monuments.

This brings me into some sort of mechanic that I hope is in Imperator: Rome. I hope there is some sort of mechanic that represents Greek aristocrats ruling a foreign land with a different majority culture instead of having provinces with perpetual rebellions and low outputs. Examples: colonies, Ptolemaic Egypt, Seleucid, and dozens more examples. In other words, there is of course the Greek Egypt, but there can also be an Egyptian Egypt where true Egyptians are Pharaohs. Maybe if the player accumulates enough wealth, power, and some sort of tyrannical mechanic is maxed out, one can build another pyramid even greater than Giza to celebrate those stupid Greeks being defenestrated from rightful Egyptian clay. This should be a rare occurrence and more of an easter egg than a serious goal.

 

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Well this could be simply simulated simply by rebellions. However the Ptolemy became pretty Egyptian over time and are a good example how cosmopolitan the ancient world was. They practiced mummification, worshiped Egyptian deities and stuff like that. Cleopatra (the famous one, VII) was actually a Ptolemy borned in Egypt (she was the last Ptolemy). Pyramids in Egypt are like more than 1000 years away so that's pretty unrealistic.

 

[wetblowdryer]

Well this could be simply simulated simply by rebellions. However the Ptolemy became pretty Egyptian over time and are a good example how cosmopolitan the ancient world was. Cleopatra was actually a Ptolemy borned in Egypt (she was the last Ptolemy). Pyramids in Egypt are like more than 1000 years away so that's pretty unrealistic.

Cleopatra is end game.

Religion was still there and the unrealistic and unhistorical argument doesn't really work in Paradox games. You can form freaking Babylon in Vicky II, reform the Roman Empire in EU4, have an Aztec invasion in western Europe CK2, and have natives with magical unicorns in EU4 (high American). I'm not asking for this to be a common and easy goal. Just mostly something fun for the player to do.

 

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I would suggest a rebellion by the Egyptian population is something that could be possible but building pyramids is something different. There are various reasons why they stopped building them just look them up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5eyo2r/why_did_the_ancient_egyptians_stop_building/

 

[Guedes]

I would suggest a rebellion by the Egyptian population is something that could be possible but building pyramids is something different. There are various reasons why they stopped building them just look them up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5eyo2r/why_did_the_ancient_egyptians_stop_building/

It always boggles my mind that they constructed basically this giant tombs full of treasures and expected nobody was going to rob it. I know there were traps, but still... it says a lot about how the mentality on those days were different.

 

[klopkr]

I think building a new Pyramid for overthrowing the greeks and ruling egypt as an egyptian egypt would be very cool. It could even have an achievement.

 

[Antediluvian Monster]

Also, they were wealthy, but didn't control as much wealth as the Old Kingdom. The last pyramid was built somewhere in the Middle Kingdom, more than 1,000 years before the game even starts (iirc). The pyramids as we know them were built about 2,000 years before the game even starts and would be considered ancient ancient monuments.

Isn't that the important point though? Egyptian Pharaos themselves abandoned Pyramid building in New Kingdom, shifting to tombs in the Valley of the Kings. And New Kingdom is generally held to be the apex of ancient Egypt.

Aside that, I imagine a new native dynasty would be hellenized itself, rather like the Pontic kings.

 

[DukeDayve]

It always boggles my mind that they constructed basically this giant tombs full of treasures and expected nobody was going to rob it. I know there were traps, but still... it says a lot about how the mentality on those days were different.

I don't think the mentality was so different than today. I reckon the people who made the decision to have pyramids built and filled with treasure for their afterlife were extremely pious and religiously observant, withdrawn and out-of-touch with regular society, and probably believed the whole of Egypt respected the gods and took religion as seriously as they did. It's exactly the same as career politicians in our world today - they have absolutely no idea or comprehension of how common people think and are very often surprised when they try to do something which seems perfectly logical to them, but is vehemently opposed by regular people.

In those times, in Egypt, I imagine there were plenty of common folks who paid the necessary amount of respect to the gods because that was the normal thing in their society, but at the same time probably thought "It's obviously all a load of baloney, I'd love to get my hands on the goodies in those tombs".

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

For me the a telling fact was that Cleopatra VII was born closer to the moon landings (roughly 2050 years) than the building of the Great Pyramids at Giza (roughly 2500 years).

 

[Arheo]

For me the a telling fact was that Cleopatra VII was born closer to the moon landings (roughly 2050 years) than the building of the Great Pyramids at Giza (roughly 2500 years).

Indeed, this is something we've thought about for some time, and can confirm that you will be able to build pyramids. On the moon.

 

[Spartanlemur]

Pyramid building was revived by the Nubian kings of Egypt in 7th century BC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/great_dynasties_gallery_11.shtml

In fact, the Kushites did build pyramids during the game's timeframe.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/meroe-pyramids-sudan-photography

We should be able to build pyramids as Kush.

 

[Samitte]

Pyramid building was revived by the Nubian kings of Egypt in 7th century BC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/great_dynasties_gallery_11.shtml

In fact, the Kushites did build pyramids during the game's timeframe.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/meroe-pyramids-sudan-photography

We should be able to build pyramids as Kush.

Kushites and Nubians didn't get to the moon.

 

[Ivir Baggins]

Kushites and Nubians didn't get to the moon.

Yeah they did

 

[Manic Eskimo]

Kushites and Nubians didn't get to the moon.

But Poland can into space...

So...

If you're a proto-east slavic ruler presiding over a majority Kushite Egypt...

Then you should indeed be able to build pyramids on the moon

 

[Thrake]

Indeed, this is something we've thought about for some time, and can confirm that you will be able to build pyramids. On the moon.

Now you got me. Insta-buy.

 

[IanReSc]

Egyptians didn't build the original pyramids, so why should we be able to do it? We won't be able to build another Stonehenge or Göbekli Tepe or even Baalbek, I guess. Heck, Egyptians didn't even build the Sphinx.

 

[Thure]

Egyptians didn't build the original pyramids, so why should we be able to do it? We won't be able to build another Stonehenge or Göbekli Tepe or even Baalbek, I guess. Heck, Egyptians didn't even build the Sphinx.

Who did? Aliens?

 

[Samitte]

Who did? Aliens?

Almost. Ancient Aliens built them all. (or according to my neighbour, Atlanteans)

 

[IanReSc]

Not saying it was Aliens. Geologists stated on more than one occasion that the Sphinx is much older. Dating back to, maybe even prior the last ice age. There was most likely another human civilization before the Egyptians. Just look at all those ancient buildings all over the world that somehow seem to be linked in style, architecture, technique, age or the astronomical mathematics involved. We built on top of them, used what was left.

We, the modern human, is like 200.000 years old. For 195.000 years nothing happened and then all of a sudden we started building pyramids or other megalithic structures? We went from hunting and gathering to sending men on the moon in 5.000 years, but for 195.000 years nothing happened?

 

[Thure]

We, the modern human, is like 200.000 years old. For 195.000 years nothing happened and then all of a sudden we started building pyramids or other megalithic structures? We went from hunting and gathering to sending men on the moon in 5.000 years, but for 195.000 years nothing happened?

Yes. The fast devlopment started only 200 years ago. There was way more technological progress from 1800 to 2000 than from 300 BC to 1800. So yes, it's very plausible. But you don't seem to understand human history that much if you work with this kind of logic.