Will Venice's Culture Ever Flip?

[TheDungen]

I have been over those files a lot and I cannot recall seeing any exceptions for merchant republics or venice in particular.

 

[Rags17]

They called themself Visigoth even if many of them were speaking a Latin language. Just like the Lombards historically.

This.

That's why English speakers are still called "English" (Anglo-ish) even though modern English is as close to Anglo Saxon as Dutch is.

 

[TheDungen]

This.

That's why English speakers are still called "English" (Anglo-ish) even though modern English is as close to Anglo Saxon as Dutch is.

Going strictly by vocabulary English isn't even a germanic language. 56% of it's words are romance, french alone have contributed more words than old english.

 

[Rubidium]

Going strictly by vocabulary English isn't even a germanic language. 56% of it's words are romance, french alone have contributed more words than old english.

Mostly technical terminology. The words most people actually use are of Old English descent. It's true that there is plenty of Latinate influence if you go by just counting words in a dictionary, but if you listen to everyday speech, it's much more lopsided in favor of Germanic words.

 

[Beowulf23]

If you are of a different religion (such as a heresy or even a different religious group) and culture than the province. I think it has to be the capitol. But then the settlers event can fire which will make the province your religion and culture. However I think it has a high MTTH (meaning it takes forever to fire). But i have converted islands using this in the past.

 

[TheDungen]

Mostly technical terminology. The words most people actually use are of Old English descent. It's true that there is plenty of Latinate influence if you go by just counting words in a dictionary, but if you listen to everyday speech, it's much more lopsided in favor of Germanic words.

Perhaps but give an English person a text in a Germanic language (Say Dutch or Danish which are the ones closest related to English as I recall) and one in french and he'll have a much easier time deciphering the french one.

 

[thevmag]

Perhaps but give an English person a text in a Germanic language (Say Dutch or Danish which are the ones closest related to English as I recall) and one in french and he'll have a much easier time deciphering the french one.

I dunno. I can't bother with French's mumbly accents, and took Deutsch specifically because it's English without the romance complications

 

[Kljunas]

Going strictly by vocabulary English isn't even a germanic language. 56% of it's words are romance, french alone have contributed more words than old english.

Highlighted all Germanic words in red.

 

[TheDungen]

Highlighted all Germanic words in red.

That seems like it's pretty much half the sentence.

 

[Rubidium]

That seems like it's pretty much half the sentence.

Yes, and if you'll notice, it's the technical or abstract terms (germanic, vocabulary) that aren't highlighted. If you were listening to an ordinary conversation, rather than discussing linguistics, it would be more so.

It's true I can understand written French better than I can written Dutch/Danish, but that's because I took 5 years of Spanish in school; I have no idea which would be less incomprehensible to someone who was strictly monolingual. Certainly listening to French vs. Dutch, spoken Dutch sounds more like English (albeit in a dialect that renders all the words incomprehensible). I've never heard anyone speak in Frisian, but I'd imagine that's even more true.

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of the Latinate vocabulary is much later than the Middle Ages in origin; much of the technical terminology is a product of the Enlightenment or later, as people created new concepts and inventions, and gave them names based on Latin (or occasionally French) or Greek. No one in Ancient Greece or Rome was watching television, and yet the word is a mixture of Greek and Latin.

 

[Rags17]

Dutch is like English only speldt funny !

 

[TheDungen]

Yes, and if you'll notice, it's the technical or abstract terms (germanic, vocabulary) that aren't highlighted. If you were listening to an ordinary conversation, rather than discussing linguistics, it would be more so.

It's true I can understand written French better than I can written Dutch/Danish, but that's because I took 5 years of Spanish in school; I have no idea which would be less incomprehensible to someone who was strictly monolingual. Certainly listening to French vs. Dutch, spoken Dutch sounds more like English (albeit in a dialect that renders all the words incomprehensible). I've never heard anyone speak in Frisian, but I'd imagine that's even more true.

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of the Latinate vocabulary is much later than the Middle Ages in origin; much of the technical terminology is a product of the Enlightenment or later, as people created new concepts and inventions, and gave them names based on Latin (or occasionally French) or Greek. No one in Ancient Greece or Rome was watching television, and yet the word is a mixture of Greek and Latin.

Statistically english speakers have it easier deciphering french than dutch or danish, there have been studies done. As for Frisian never heard it either but I have heard plenty of low saxon which is supposedly very similar. It uses many of the same sounds as english but the words are again closer to german danish swedish and so on. Dutch is similiar in that regard, now I understand them reasonably well since I speak Swedish, German and English. Then again when I started taking latin english was the only crutch I had and it actually got me pretty far. As for spanish spanish is a full on romance language while both english and french are more odd ones out.

Also intresting that despite english being the only even remotely romance language I speak (except latin and I don't actually speak that) my english leans very much towards the romance side of the language.

But this is getting very offtopic. I just meant to point out that despite how utterly changed the language has become it's still refered to by the same (or a similiar enough) name. Just like french is called french after frankish even though modern french really a mix between latin and gaulish, and has very little in common with frankish which was a dialect of german.

 

[Sunbro BigBoss]

AFAIK claims of heritage to the visigoth legacy are from the tenth century onwards and in the 8th century people saw visigoths as alien invaders and surrendered easily to muslim forces because they though they were better than the alternative, and that's why it only took 11 years to conquer the whole penninsula. (I mean the people, not the ruling minority).

(But at least we both agree on Suebi culture on Galicia being Central Germanic wrong, don't we?)

Wasn't the conflict more religious than cultural (even if both were very close)? IIRC there was a religious civil war between arians and catholics brewing and one of the sides "invited" the muslims for help. That's also why there are several visigothic emirs pre-1066.

 

[Beowulf23]

If you are of a different religion (such as a heresy or even a different religious group) and culture than the province. I think it has to be the capitol. But then the settlers event can fire which will make the province your religion and culture. However I think it has a high MTTH (meaning it takes forever to fire). But i have converted islands using this in the past.

Answering the OP's question