Will there be the Free French Kieffer's fusiliers Marins ?

[frout]

The French Commandos Marine fought in Normandy until 27 August 1944, then in Holland : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1er_Bataillon_de_Fusiliers_Marins_Commandos

Will they be implemented in game ?

 

[Katsuki126]

Already asked, MadMat discussed with us, but he neither confirmed nor infirmed...

EDIT : Here is the thread (don't mind my horrible mistakes in it please )
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/kieffers-commando.1006887/#post-22571767

 

[mitchverr]

IIRC they were part of 1st special service brigade (SSB) right? Which spent most of normandy acting under 1 airborne corps working with the 6th airborne, given the lack of seeing them for this division, I suspect it highly unlikely to see them.

 

[frout]

Already asked, MadMat discussed with us, but he neither confirmed nor infirmed...

EDIT : Here is the thread (don't mind my horrible mistakes in it please )
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/kieffers-commando.1006887/#post-22571767

Thx !
(I've search "Kieffer" but didn't find anything...)

 

[Raventhefuhrer]

There is a RIMa anti-tank battalion in the 2e Division Blindée which is represented in the game, so I imagine that's the closest thing.

 

[Spielführer]

Summon MadMat and his Marine...

 

[I WUB PUGS]

This division is gonna be so OP. Can't wait to play it.

And to soak up all the boo tears.

 

[Katsuki126]

There is a RIMa anti-tank battalion in the 2e Division Blindée which is represented in the game, so I imagine that's the closest thing.

In the thread I linked, someone asked exactly the same question, here is MadMat answer :

No, the "Commando Kieffer" is the colloquial name in France for 5th & 6th Troops of N°4 (British) Commando, 1st Special Service Brigade. Although their official French designation is "1er bataillon de Fusiliers Marins Commando".
They were 177 French Navy sailors and officers whom had underwent commando training in Scotland from 1942.

On D-Day, they were the only French troops to take an active part in the ground invasion. Landing with the 1st SSB, Lord Lovat (under whom they served) had ordered the other landing craft to slow down to let them have the honour to be the first to set foot on French soil. As such, they will also sustain the first commando casualties, among which was Lt. Hubert, the first French officer killed on D-Day, and who's name was therefore later (and to this day) given to the French Navy's most elite unit, the Commando Hubert.

Their mission that day was to neutralize the a gun battery set under the Riva Bella casino in Ouistreham, an action made famous by the Longest Day, with one (if not the) first scene shot by helicopter in movie history:

As depicted in the movie, a first assault failed, so Kieffer himself raced back to the beach and came back with a tank.
By the end of the day, 25% of the commandos were casualties. They were supposed to stay ashore for 3-4 days, then pulled back, but soldiered on in Normandy for 78 days, at the end of which only 28 out of 177 men were still on their feet.

 

[EUG_MadMat]

Already asked, MadMat discussed with us, but he neither confirmed nor infirmed...

That's a skill, you know ...

 

[Raventhefuhrer]

@EUG_MadMat

Your job description called for someone frustratingly vague, able to deflect direct questions, and use obscure timelines when cornered with questions about release dates.

 

[Katsuki126]

That's a skill, you know ...

It is in those situation that you realize that French is sometimes (always ) superior to English. Is that a skill that you learn un savoir-faire or a skill that you have from birth un talent ?

Did I learn well Master ?

 

[frout]

That's a skill, you know ...

But any skill has its limits though...

 

[Katsuki126]

But any skill has its limits though...

Don't say that, he might never come back...

However, I choose to see his silence as the proof that he is hiding something, not a division, but a game mechanic for those kind of troops.
How could the Commando Kieffer not be im SD44 ? Eugen is a french studio, with a lot of French in it. The most chauvinist people on Earth. They will put every single bit of French faits d'armes in the game.

Maybe a campaign only unit ?
Maybe a feature not yet presented ?
MadMat is hiding something from us, thus there is something to find !

 

[frout]

Don't say that, he might never come back...

However, I choose to see his silence as the proof that he is hiding something, not a division, but a game mechanic for those kind of troops.
How could the Commando Kieffer not be im SD44 ? Eugen is a french studio, with a lot of French in it. The most chauvinist people on Earth. They will put every single bit of French faits d'armes in the game.

Maybe a campaign only unit ?
Maybe a feature not yet presented ?
MadMat is hiding something from us, thus there is something to find !

My comment about skill limit was a joke meaning maybe we might find a way to make him reveal his "secrets"

Joke aside, I'm new to Steel Division forums (and to the game). What a French bashing ! Lots of comments starting by "Eugen is a french studio, and French are so [fill in the blank : deceptive, chauvinist, anti-american, coward...] so that..."
I wonder how they can stand it while it's just a game and they just tried to balance it and develop the best game they can.

I interpret their silence about the Commando Kieffer (and its possible non-implementation) partly as the willingness to avoid more bashing.

Btw speaking of "single bit of faits d'armes" (which sounds pejorative to me but it might be a matter of langage barrier), French soldiers risked their lives, some died. For this very reason, they deserve respect as any WWII soldier.

I'll stay away from these forums, because of those toxic posts, as far as possible, posting feedback about the game from time to time.

And I'll keep on playing the game, of course.

Great game, Eugen. Keep up the good work.

 

[Katsuki126]

My comment about skill limit was a joke meaning maybe we might find a way to make him reveal his "secrets"

But my answer was also joke... I didn't put enough smiley maybe ?
My other post being another joke about discussing a tangent subject instead of the topic at hand. Typical MadMat Modus Operandi

What a French bashing ! Lots of comments starting by "Eugen is a french studio, and French are so [fill in the blank : deceptive, chauvinist, anti-american, coward...] so that..."

I absolutely did not mean it as French bashing, I'm French as well...
You kind of misunderstood my post, it was not meant to be serious...

Btw speaking of "single bit of faits d'armes" (which sounds pejorative to me but it might be a matter of langage barrier), French soldiers risked their lives, some died. For this very reason, they deserve respect as any WWII soldier.

I do not see how it could be pejorative (maybe the bit part ?). Anyway I did not intended it to be so. Simply put, Eugen brought in the game units and country usually forgotten by other similar games. As they are keen on details, I expected that they put it in the game.
The rest was just joking around. I was really excited at this prospect.

Please do not see it as toxicity... ;(

 

[frout]

Sorry if i misunderstood your post. It must have been "la goutte d'eau qui..."

 

[Sleight of Hand]

There is not much in the way of toxicity on the Paradox boards. This is a friendly place with plenty of learned folk.

 

[Katsuki126]

Sorry if i misunderstood your post. It must have been "la goutte d'eau qui..."

"...fait déborder le vase"
No offense taken, misunderstanding happen on every side when we write and read.

There is not much in the way of toxicity on the Paradox boards. This is a friendly place with plenty of learned folk.

Yup, couldn't agree more. The only kind of anti-french toxicity that I have seen here was in fact mention of infighting on the Wargame forum.
Nothing such as that within the peaceful land of Paradox Interactive

Plenty of helpful folks around here, well-versed in History as well.