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At least a code like "max_husbands" only available to MODs?
in CK2 a woman may take consorts but can only have one husband, even with a MOD.
in CK2 a woman may take consorts but can only have one husband, even with a MOD.
Will there be polyandry in CK3?
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Cool idea, but I don't know how it could be handled in the game... If you are man and you have 3 wives then you can tell that this particular woman is pregnant with your child. How could you tell which man is father of your kid if you have multiple husbands? Sure, game can tell this via genetics but in real life and in gameplay there is no way to know it. So I see this as the only obstacle but it should be taken into account. We should only know (as players) things that our character knows. Giving the player god-like knowledge (aka who is really father) would kill some immersion.
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Uhh, women can have multiple lovers in CK2, or multiple consorts, and this is handled "in gameplay". Adding husbands to consorts won't break this
Yes, but after getting pregnant with lover the baby is considered by game to be a child of womens husband, unless the adultery is exposed.
Please, do tell me: how women, who sleeps with 3 man, could tell who is really father of her children? If we consider dynasties a top gamplay feature then the situation needs to be clear - this child is either legitimate and husband is the father or it's not and child is bastard. Having three husbands - how the game should decide which one is father? How would the women know?
It wouldn't surprise me if it would be possible to unlock by modifying your faith in CK3. From what I heard talking with devs at PDXcon, it seems they're trying to make as little as possible "hardcoded". Both to enable people to do what they want, and avoid some of the design pitfalls in CK2 where they were unable to iterate on certain systems.
If she had a husband. And if she could keep it quiet
It doesn't matter. The game already tells that when you have consorts. That's it, deal with it
Unless all children are considered of being of the first husband?
This would make being first husband more prestigious and it would be away to avoid jelous husbands plotting against the other husband's kids, in order to get his own further in the succession.
Also i really wish the player was given more agency in deciding when to try for children, rather than being utterly random.
In this case, the female ruler decides it's time for a baby and decides to try with husband #3.
She never goes near husband #2, because he's a nasty goblin she married for an alliance.
This would make being first husband more prestigious and it would be away to avoid jelous husbands plotting against the other husband's kids, in order to get his own further in the succession.
Also i really wish the player was given more agency in deciding when to try for children, rather than being utterly random.
In this case, the female ruler decides it's time for a baby and decides to try with husband #3.
She never goes near husband #2, because he's a nasty goblin she married for an alliance.
Various ways possible.
First, a woman with multiple husbands tends to imply a very feminist society, it's quite likely that the woman is the one holding the titles, not her husbands. This could be enforced, requiring enatic succession before polyandry for women is unlocked.
Second, one could make it that husbands that are not the primary husband cannot hold titles.
Third, one could make matrilineal marriages a requirement for multiple husbands. You still do not know which child/children are from which husband, but from a dynasty perspective the titles would go to the woman's dynasty anyway, so just give them to the oldest eligible child according to inheritance rules; basically consider a child to be the child of all husbands the woman had at the time of conception, as far as inheritance is concerned.
Fourth, everyone magically knows who the father is. Can be explained away as a woman only sleeping with one of her husbands for a menstrual cycle, then only with another one for the next cycle, and so on.
Fifth. solve it however consorts in CK2 work, which is probably one of those four. I don't know if there is different ways, but they can for certain be unlocked by reforming pagan religion with Enatic Clans + Polygamy, perhaps even with just Enatic Clans or Enatic Clans + Tribal.
On the general topic of this thread: I really hope everything marriage-related will be as open as possible, including allowing polyandry for both genders and same-sex marriages. While same-sex marriages (and I think also polyandry for women) have no place in the base game anywhere, I want it to be possible for mods.
Polyandry as historically practiced was a number of brothers marrying the same woman. So the dynasty, if being passed through the male line, isn't in question.
If the dynasty is being passed through the female line... no one important cares who the father is. If you must know, pick one.
Regardless, CK2 already tracks the real father, and this can be different from the assumed father.
Well, I just tried something similar in CK2.
This Norse woman, Gyla, has a Norse husband Asbjörn and a Hausa consort Kareem.
I used console command "pollinate", let her become pregnant with child of her consort, with "known father".
Then I used "give_birth". The baby belongs to her consort and has the trait "Child of Consort".
Then I used "cuckoo", which means the father is unknown. A "bastard" is displayed here, and I do not know the reason.
This time the baby is considered as her husband's child, and have neither "Child of Consort" nor "Bastard", despite of ethnicity.
Note: both children belong to their mother's dynasty, since this is a matrilineal marriage. I am not sure what will happen in a regular marriage.
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In history there havent been random releationships where woman has multiple husbands. Only asia and oceania regions there have been systems where woman can have any number of partners. In thouse cases woman is a ruler of house or men are second class citizens, so both cases it dosent matter who is child fathers, child belongs to mother. And House of Mother will rise child as they own men or husbands in thouse cases dont have a say.
Other hand in europe there havent been that kind of cases even in tribal era. So when CK2 intreduced a way to woman have multible consorts, thouse cases still mean dosent matter who is father child is one or other way womans. So lets keep that ORGY out of CK where woman sleeps with random people/husbands/consorts and they can claim child as they own.
Other hand in europe there havent been that kind of cases even in tribal era. So when CK2 intreduced a way to woman have multible consorts, thouse cases still mean dosent matter who is father child is one or other way womans. So lets keep that ORGY out of CK where woman sleeps with random people/husbands/consorts and they can claim child as they own.
So we'll keep the murder and the cannibalism, but a woman controlling her own sex life is an 'orgy' that needs to be kept out?
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In historical sense woman who is not ruler or are married with ruler shoulnt have multiple husbands this will just not make any sense. Couse usually men want a legacy, if they are denyd that change then they do not have nothing. So on thouse cases men are dominated by womenb and used as sextoys or seeders only thouse cases it makes sense.
If to make historical example then, in thouse societys where woman were dominating and all lands and meaningful property were owned by woman, in thouse socierys men didnt have responsibiltys they didnt have to rise a child or didnr have to supply a family and it was tottaly normal. Women dominated society but ment werent enslaved.
SO current systems serves it well Ruler is woman in power and she can sleep who she want and dosent matter whos child she carrying in any case child is hers and she will take responsiblilty. But as in mod or even Herecy you could make other wise Take yourself 10 hubands and say they al lare fathers and have responsiblity to take care a child/childs.
My favorite part about this is that this woman is a norse who believes in African religions.
Women can take multiple male consorts, but are still restricted to a single husband. (Similarly to how other pagans can take female consorts but only Muslims have true polygamy)
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I used Ruler Designer here.
First, African pagan allows women to have consorts without reformation.
Second, I used a Norse woman and an African man to ensure the ethnicity of their children will be different from the mother. (Bönist in Tibet also allow consorts, but their children may still have same ethnicity as the mother)
It's likely that all of this will get a full revision under CK3. Even without the historical precedents that are there, modders will want it. That was one of the main reasons for gender law reform in CK2, after all.
Marriage customs would be a solid set of doctrines to have under the new religion design.
Marriage customs would be a solid set of doctrines to have under the new religion design.
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