Will there be patch 1.4?

[DrSorrow]

Some questions have been lifted up diminuishing the requests from the players by stating that Paradox support is superb. Well personally haven't seen it because i never needed it, so won't comment the paradox support but, i cannot admit that my words are diminguished as i bought a product that has bugs, some of them were corrected with patchs and others were added with them! And amasingly that game will not see more patch! Yeahhhhhhhhh

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In terms of patchs, there were some people stating that the support of EU2 was long, well the latest patch was 1.09 released in 5/12/2001? ("Date: 051201" from paradox downloads)... Now when was EU3 release? Think we all understant what we are talking here. (To paradox, there is a link in EU2 page to the patchs missing)

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Some state that paradox has a great history in releasing patchs to improve the game play of players... Well, please go and inform yourselfs on how other companies work (take a look for example in the blizzard StarCaft patch history... and compare it to EU3 or even EU2!)

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Like any other company paradox must be profitable and making maney is the major target. Beleave we all agree in this... Now to achieve such object is necessary to trick the players?! No, there are many ways to make a game profitable and still stay in the good side of the player. (To paradox, stop what your doing and rethink your objectives, your losing players, well at least you lost me, didn't see any apology sent to the people who bought the game, nothing stating that the game would be supported no more just saw "nothing"! And the onbly statement from the development team was beeing rude in response to a rude statement from a player.)


Free tip for your future releases, an expantion should be dependent from a game and not the other way around.

I take my leave.

 

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In terms of patchs, there were some people stating that the support of EU2 was long, well the latest patch was 1.09 released in 5/12/2001? ("Date: 051201" from paradox downloads)... Now when was EU3 release? Think we all understant what we are talking here. (To paradox, there is a link in EU2 page to the patchs missing)

Patch 1.09 was released in 2005, not 2001! The date cited is 12 January 2005. So that's over three years of regular support, which I think is pretty fair.

 

[Amob_m_s]

And I think I speak for most of us (excepting you, Dr Sorrow) when I say, Paradox, another patch would certainly be much appreciated... but if you don't, I won't stop buying your games, they're good enough as-is.

 

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Some questions have been lifted up diminuishing the requests from the players by stating that Paradox support is superb. Well personally haven't seen it because i never needed it, so won't comment the paradox support but, i cannot admit that my words are diminguished as i bought a product that has bugs, some of them were corrected with patchs and others were added with them! And amasingly that game will not see more patch! Yeahhhhhhhhh

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In terms of patchs, there were some people stating that the support of EU2 was long, well the latest patch was 1.09 released in 5/12/2001? ("Date: 051201" from paradox downloads)... Now when was EU3 release? Think we all understant what we are talking here. (To paradox, there is a link in EU2 page to the patchs missing)

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Some state that paradox has a great history in releasing patchs to improve the game play of players... Well, please go and inform yourselfs on how other companies work (take a look for example in the blizzard StarCaft patch history... and compare it to EU3 or even EU2!)

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Like any other company paradox must be profitable and making maney is the major target. Beleave we all agree in this... Now to achieve such object is necessary to trick the players?! No, there are many ways to make a game profitable and still stay in the good side of the player. (To paradox, stop what your doing and rethink your objectives, your losing players, well at least you lost me, didn't see any apology sent to the people who bought the game, nothing stating that the game would be supported no more just saw "nothing"! And the onbly statement from the development team was beeing rude in response to a rude statement from a player.)


Free tip for your future releases, an expantion should be dependent from a game and not the other way around.

I take my leave.

Perhaps your points would be better made if they were a tad more reasonable?

With all due respect, you've failed to display any sympathy whatsoever to the other side's position; instead, you've restated your initial positions, while making it clear that you are very frustrated with Paradox's stance.

There will never be a perfect balance between the needs of a development company and the needs of the customer; one needs to eat, and the other wants a perfect product for free, while clouding it all is the reputation of developers as money-grubbing scrooges pushing bug-ridden products on the populace, and the customer has a reputation for being shrieky and irrational.

If you wish to change people's minds, perhaps you might start by explaining why the points other people have raised are invalid?

Or, failing that, list some arguments or conditions that could possibly change <i>your</i> mind? There's very little incentive for anyone, paradox staff or otherwise, to respond to your points if your mind is set in stone.

Please don't misunderstand; I <i>do</i> understand that it must be frustrating to feel that the game was broken with the last patch, and find that it won't be fixed unless you upgrade. But surely you must recognize the difficulties and expense of maintaining them as separate products, not to mention how that could reduce the quality of both?

It's not an ideal situation, but it's the best solution that I can see.

Ew. I feel oily now. Nevertheless, I couldn't think of a different way to say all of that...

 

[CleverClothe]

Patch 1.09 was released in 2005, not 2001! The date cited is 12 January 2005. So that's over three years of regular support, which I think is pretty fair.

That would be December 1, 2005.

 

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That would be December 1, 2005.

Quite right - I misread the abbreviated date. So that's nearly a year more of full support for EU2.

 

[DrSorrow]

Patch 1.09 was released in 2005, not 2001! The date cited is 12 January 2005. So that's over three years of regular support, which I think is pretty fair.

Ups, sorry... To be true i did fell it was a little strange to be 2001... :rofl: Though it does not change what i wanted to say.

Amob_s_m, I know to speak for myself (even if sometimes it's sayed what people don't want to hear), if i don't speak it's because i have nothing to say.

 

[DrSorrow]

Perhaps your points would be better made if they were a tad more reasonable?

As a cheated custumer with a single feedback that it must be happy with a buggy product, i beleave that it's very dificult to be reasonable...

With all due respect, you've failed to display any sympathy whatsoever to the other side's position; instead, you've restated your initial positions, while making it clear that you are very frustrated with Paradox's stance.

It's true i am frustrated for beeing tricked yes. And, yes i haven't seen from the "other side" what your claiming from me also.

There will never be a perfect balance between the needs of a development company and the needs of the customer; one needs to eat, and the other wants a perfect product for free, while clouding it all is the reputation of developers as money-grubbing scrooges pushing bug-ridden products on the populace, and the customer has a reputation for being shrieky and irrational.

Sorry but your mistaken here. The company as a service/product/etc provider must provide quality to the custumer (no matter the "target") if the desire is to continue to have him as such... Even though the custumer may want a "perfect product for free", this is not the case, the product is (unfortunatly not perfect) and it's not for free as i did pay for it (like the other custumers)...

If you wish to change people's minds, perhaps you might start by explaining why the points other people have raised are invalid?

I don't want to change peoples minds, as each one has it's own way of thinking and they're own thoughts. What i want is to not be tricked with "cheap and repeated bad strategies" from a company that does not admit it.

Or, failing that, list some arguments or conditions that could possibly change <i>your</i> mind? There's very little incentive for anyone, paradox staff or otherwise, to respond to your points if your mind is set in stone.

My mind can be changed by beeing provided the game with the possibility to have expantion packs that won't make the custumer to buy them to have bugs fixed.
BTW, if you read my posts regarding the bug reports in the "bug report" section I tryed to do that.

Please don't misunderstand; I <i>do</i> understand that it must be frustrating to feel that the game was broken with the last patch, and find that it won't be fixed unless you upgrade. (...)

I understand what you are saying, i also previously acknowledged that a company exist to be profitable. But, there are several ways to achieve that goal without affecting the custumer satisfaction... Personally i was about to buy NA before i have seen the post stating that there won't be no more patchs to EU3 (now is EU3 and tomorow is NA)... Well this is part of the business but, at least the game should be left in a "decent" state (perfect is almost impossible).

(...)But surely you must recognize the difficulties and expense of maintaining them as separate products, not to mention how that could reduce the quality of both?

It's not an ideal situation, but it's the best solution that I can see.

That's why an aplicatin should not rely on an expantion but the otherway around. By having several expantions, there is a way to pay the improvements made to the core aplication, improving this way, not only the expantions but also the core aplication (in this case being EU3 the core and NA one of the many possible expantions...)
This way nor the quality nor the quantity is affected.

 

[coreymas]

Okay DrSorrow we got your point.

Any further discussion on your part without a viable solution just amounts to gripeing and not constructive arguement.

The question was -- will there be a patch 1.4.

Johan answered you --- Probably not.

Live with it.

No one is making you buy NA.... so exercise your right to protest by not buying it.

Corey

 

[DrSorrow]

No one is making you buy NA.... so exercise your right to protest by not buying it.

Corey

Not right there. To be able to play properly we (the EU3 players) are beeing forced to buy NA...

Thanks for the incentive to protest

 

[coreymas]

Not right there. To be able to play properly we (the EU3 players) are beeing forced to buy NA...

Thanks for the incentive to protest

Just stop repeating yourself over and over..... and maybe someone might take your arguements with some credibility. Get off the soap box and come up with a solution.... start a petition (not here on their forum) instead of just complaining.

Second that is your opinion.... which is not shared by others. Saying that you have been cheated/tricked is simply not true (the game functions as it was intended by Paradox) and could be construed as liable.

I recommend that you voice your opinions in a direct letter to Paradox and not here where you will not get anywhere.

Also -- Johan has said no. No means no and being rude about it wins you no brownie points.

This thread needs to be closed.. questions been answered 3 pages ago.

Corey

 

[DrSorrow]

Just stop repeating yourself over and over..... and maybe someone might take your arguements with some credibility. Get off the soap box and come up with a solution.... start a petition (not here on their forum) instead of just complaining.

Second that is your opinion.... which is not shared by others. Saying that you have been cheated/tricked is simply not true (the game functions as it was intended by Paradox) and could be construed as liable.

I recommend that you voice your opinions in a direct letter to Paradox and not here where you will not get anywhere.

I did not only complain... Some sollutions were presented like, provide one more patch with some corrections, and for paradox to rethink they're expation methodology, etc...

I'm not going to start a petition as there's no sense on putting myself on knees, as beging for a patch... Come on, be real...

Also -- Johan has said no. No means no and being rude about it wins you no brownie points.

Corey

Speaking of credibility, firts you say it's "Probably no" and now it's "No". I'm showing my protest not to win over Johan but, for Paradox to understand that what they did (yes, i'll say it again) is wrong! And no the game does not work as Paradox intended, unless the bugs were placed with intention, now there the other face of the coin is shown...

 

[coreymas]

Thats news to me that spent most of this year working on NA.

It has more features & development time than all patches for eu1, eu2, eu3, hoi1, hoi2 and doomsday together, and bigger than on some games we've done.

Eu3 was released fully functional without any major bugs. Any minor issues discovered, as well as lot of new features, were done during the largest amount of not exactly profitable development time we have ever spent on a project post-release.

We've never supported games after a new version was released. When eu2 came out, no more eu1 patches, etc...

No, there won't be an 1.4 for Eu3 with more new free features. Feel free to start hating us for it, but it is a policy we've had since we released our first game.

Okay you are right -- the answer is a definate no. I misread the last paragraph saying that there would be no patches for EU3 with more new free features. I read that as being a maybe for a patch to fix a CTD bug or major bug that makes the game not act as intended. Paragraph 3 says that the game at 1.3 is operating as intended so Paragraph 5 is not going to happen.

Read the 4th paragraph saying no new patches for a game once a new version of a game was released. There is your answer. Paradox considers NA a newer version of the game and i tend to agree with them with all the additional features they added. NA acts and is a totally different game than 1.3.

And before you say paragraph 4 contradicts paragraph 5 i attribute that to someone whos native language is not English (Johan's)

Corey

 

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Thread does need to be closed with this anwser.

No.