Will there be CROATIA in EUII ?

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i believe that it is probably going to be impossible to have independent croatia in eu2 because of engine lacking dynastic model. But there should be slight possibility of croatia revolting and starting independent croatia.

When it comes to the rest of the countries there should be independent Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria.

Both Bulgaria and Serbia should be vassall states of the Turkey. Serbia should also have good relations to Turkey. In the beginging of 1395 when franko-hungarian forces launched offensive against ottomans they reached deep into ottoman territories. In the september there was final battle going on when serbian leader Stefan Lazarevic arrived with cavalry of 1500 men. Thanks to him Turks were able to win the battle. He could have choosen not to enter the battle as some other vasall states did but he choose to join battle on turkish side. He despised Hungary more than anything else and choose to help turks.

Bosnia was vasall state of Hungary untill 1377 (Tvrtko I crowns himself as a king). Later King Zigmund of Hungary vassalised bosnia again in 1408. But in 1414 bosnian duke (vojvoda) Hrvoje Vukcic Hrvatinic beats Croat/Slavonian/Hungarian forces with the help of Serbian/Turkish forces and Bosnia regains its independence. First in 1463 Turks conquer Bosnia when inhabitants who are bogomils (christian sect) refuse to defend country and its catholic king against the Turks. Only southern province of Hum with its catholic populations remains free of Turks.

Juszuf7: i ja sam se osjecao kao da pisem knjigu kad sam pokusao da objasnim bosanske bogumili.

 

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Originally posted by Heyesey


The two small states that are out there (Wallachia and whateveritis) quite often survive till well into the game, so even allowing the rest of your argument, this doesn't follow

They survive only because the game wasn't written wery well. If it followed true historical aspects, states like Pskov could never survive a strong Russia.

 

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Originally posted by emir


When it comes to the rest of the countries there should be independent Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria.

Both Bulgaria and Serbia should be vassall states of the Turkey.

Bulgaria was gone by the beginning of EU2. The last Bulgarian principality was annexed by the Turks in 1396. I do think, however, that Bulgaria should have the possibility of being a revolter.

 

[Demetrios]

Originally posted by juszuf7


They survive only because the game wasn't written wery well. If it followed true historical aspects, states like Pskov could never survive a strong Russia.

The game is written very well if Moldova and Wallachia survive long into the game. They were independent states throughout the EU time period, but were Turkish vassals.

 

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Hmmm I sopose that all that disentigration of europe at start can be avoided by simply making all this nations posible rebels nation

So if you donth sucede having peace in yor cauntry.."POP" here you go


ehh its bether perhaps that this converstation abauth new cauntrys is made in that ader post wath you finkh ?

 

[Hrv123]

OH didnt see at first that juszuf

whell its simply Cro atia haved "Pacta convevta"
only this fact shuld be enaf



Oh Hrvoje Vukcic Hrvatinic change to Ottomans....

So wath did hapened with him ?

whell this explain what hapened with DUX of Split
Buth wath then hapeneds with Stjepan Vukcic change back agenst Ottomans?????
I no he foth wars with OTTOMANS untill 1482



I da svi smo pomalo pisci u zadnje vrijeme hehe

 

[Hrv123]

Gurli thers some in leders.hun file and I no more thad can be aded
but thers perhaps some for witch is noth cleard openly are they Croatian or Bosnian , Hungarian or Croatian feudallords or all this in same time.
And what abauth posible leder of Croatia if its there...
I donth wonth to make them up.
Perhaps making bigest feudal lord an posible monarh hmmm

And I donth vonth to be ocused for stiling some leders from sombody

So at the moment I will weit EUII and see vath can be thone thene
and at same time agitate fo Croatia TAG

 

[Hrv123]

JUSZUF7
DALI mi mozez reci nesto vise o doseljenju Srba..
NAime od kuda Su se doselili i nesto ako znas o migraciji Srba prije
6. i 7. stoljeca
Imam neke informacije o Luzickim Srbima pa onda o Bijeloj Srbiji i nemogu naci nista konkretno
da li mi mozes reci nesto o otome ?

 

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Originally posted by Demetrios


The game is written very well if Moldova and Wallachia survive long into the game. They were independent states throughout the EU time period, but were Turkish vassals.

Look, there is a difference between EU and real-life vassalization. In EU you must make a country love you so much that they'll "surrender" to you.
Wallachia, Moldovia and Transylvania were not in such romantic relationship with Turkey. Their rulers were appointed by the Turkish Porta (or: goverment). Their territories were ruthlesly taxed and pillaged, and during wars the Turks used their territories as battlefields (in just one war, Transylvania (pop 1 million) lost more than 100.000 people. The only reason why these states were kept "independent" is because Turkey was not strong enough to permanently keep forces there (and because the Turks hate cold weather), so a cooperative leader was more suitable.
In EU your soldiers don't complain about the weather, and you can always create extra 100.000 troops and add the extra 5 gold/month expense to your maintainance budget. This did not happen in real life. And because EU does not represent real life, one-province countries should be easily annexed, at least until different kinds of vassalizations aren't added. Wallachia was independent as much as Croatia was in Hungary: not at all. A "historical exception" should be Transylvania, because the Habsbourgs always guaranteed it's independence, so the Turks never even tried to annex it.

But anyway, that is not the point
The point is EU1 was not written very well, so (to give you examples of countries that didn't make it) Navarra, Pskov or The Knights can survive all the way to the end, although in REAL LIFE this is NOT POSSIBLE (the little guy is always the first to fall).

 

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Originally posted by Hrv123
JUSZUF7
DALI mi mozez reci nesto vise o doseljenju Srba..
NAime od kuda Su se doselili i nesto ako znas o migraciji Srba prije
6. i 7. stoljeca
Imam neke informacije o Luzickim Srbima pa onda o Bijeloj Srbiji i nemogu naci nista konkretno
da li mi mozes reci nesto o otome ?

Pravo da ti kazem vise znam o istoriji Hrvata nego Srba (nisam srbin pa me ne zanima). Kolko ja znam oni su nastali tek u 12. veku, a o Beloj Srbiji cujem po prvi put u zivotu...

 

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Originally posted by juszuf7


They survive only because the game wasn't written wery well. If it followed true historical aspects, states like Pskov could never survive a strong Russia.

Why not? Monaco and Andorra both survived a strong France, and nobody ever took out San Marino or Liechtenstein. The odd one or two will always slip through the net.

 

[Hrv123]

juszuf7

Well in that is prob lem jednostavno nemam nikakvih infornacija osim
tog 1 imena "Bijela srbija" negdje na teritoriju damnasnje madarske
( u pov atlasu, tom samo jednom od 4 kolko ih imam), a da bih konacno skuzio od kud su oni dosli trebam nekakvu informaciju .... zapravo ne znam nista konkretno o Srbima prije 10/11 ct to jest Raski, nigdje ne pise nista o njima, ama bas nista !

Kazes 12 stojece. jel mi mozes molim te nesto vise reci o tome ?
"Bre zvuci intersersantno"
kako se ono vec kaze

 

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Why not? Monaco and Andorra both survived a strong France, and nobody ever took out San Marino or Liechtenstein. The odd one or two will always slip through the net.

if you live in europe middleages....
If you clim a mountain togheter with your family you can claim it as your own territorry and proclaim youy self as a king no one will attack your "nation".....

 

[Hrv123]

Actualy Gruli ....when local lord hears abauth that he will probly
come at top of the mounten wit his army, burn , kill and capture famly
becose they make an atack on his claim..
There where no "free" teritory enewere in europe.This is noth colonization of america and iven there indians have claim on theres land !
Sombody have posesion claim on eny teritory in europe then
( exept grenland perhaps )...