Bloody reprisals can happen for a wide variety of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with a nation's decline.
That's generally a sign of a nation not being a top tier power. What incidents in Ottoman history are you referring to here?
And a random guy on the internet insulting some scholars doesn't make their scholarship incorrect.
Decline was not in absolute terms, it was relative to European powers, which were progressing at a much higher pace. In 1680-90s, it took a Holy League of HRE, PLC, Russia and Venice to beat back the Ottomans. A century later, in 1806, Ottomans got beat by Russia alone, and Tsardom was also fighting wars with Napoleon, Sweden and Persia (all but Napoleonic ones were successful too) during much of the conflict.
Okay, but the post I was replying to said the Ottomans should "have some disaster that culminates in an extremely slow/expensive spread of the Printing Press." That institution, I remind you, spawns in the mid-16th century. I really don't see how that models the Ottomans failing to improve their military capabilities as much as the other European powers in the 18th century.
As far as I can recall, you get permaclaims on your next mission targets, and tempclaims on things that aren't mission targets.
1) No, it wasn't. The Ottoman Empire reached its largest territorial extent in 1683.
Surrender of maine can start a war England will almost always lose, as well as facing both lollards and war of the roses. Spain used to get bankruptcy events even if stable. Dutch revolt always happen unless capital in netherlands or humanist ideas. French wars of religion super easy. League war will always happen if ai, with player having to no cb most the time to avoid it. Hungary still has an event where itll be partitioned if if loses a war to ottos. Ming crisis happens at 50 mandate after first age.
Because for a century or so Ottomans gets tonnes of buffs to grob that no one else can match easily
When someone is objecting to a design philosophy, pointing out other examples of that design philosophy is not particularly persuasive. I think all of these things you cite, except the England stuff, should either be massively modified or entirely removed.
Perhaps prevent them from taking quantity ideas ?
The issue is that they have good land and good trade income and they have manpower/LFL ideas and they have special units (do Janissaries cost manpower to raise? I can't remember and the wiki doesn't say) and they take Quantity ideas.
They do not cost manpower to raise. Instead they cost military points and are twice as expensive to reinforce. I would say they're not worth it.
I think when people say they are too strong, they mean that they are hard to fight against after they hit tech level 5 especially if you are a Western Tech country. You have to wait until tech 15 before they fall back down to earth and 19 before they fall off. By that time they usually have an enormous amount of troops.
As opposed to the snooty academics who wrote the original thesis, a long time ago and with worse information?
They weren't snooty academics they were learned men
