will the fallen inevitably end up fighting each other? (xenophile vs materialist)

[ikki]

So in short:

Materialists care about preventing forbidden tech like robots.

Xenophiles love to observe aliens from afar and close by and only care about genocide.

Seemingly no conflict at all?

Enter the meddlers, aka young races, that will cause those giants to fight one another.

ie a young race develops robots, and the materialists activate to oppose them. then the robots declare independence and begin purging the young race in a civil war of sorts. The materialists are still at war with them also and allies with the robots.
Then the fallen xenophiles observe this genocide and decide to get involved to fight both robots independence movement and their fallen materialist allies alike...

And the whole galaxy burns..

 

[Sir Leningrad]

Interesting question, do they interact between each other? What happens if there is a fallen empire with robots and another against it?

 

[Fonz]

But they were super powerful right? So there's no way the fallen empires haven't learned of each other already. It's only that the younger races are meeting then one by one. So I guess they probably sorted stuff out millions of years ago?

 

[ikki]

But they were super powerful right? So there's no way the fallen empires haven't learned of each other already. It's only that the younger races are meeting then one by one. So I guess they probably sorted stuff out millions of years ago?

That is the thing, they don't have a conflict. Its just that they are dragged into opposed factions due to what they are and what they do

 

[COMPLETEWASUK 2]

Is it confirmed that the Materialist Fallen Empires will ally with a rebelling robot faction? I might have missed something but this is the first I've heard of it.

 

[ikki]

ofcourse the reasoning does assume a few things like the materialist-fallen and robot alliance due to having the same enemy (robot building fools), AND that robots both purge bio-pops AND that xenos care about purging.

But it would fall beautifully together into a total mess of sorts

 

[Kyle Lionheart]

Why should the materialist FE ever ally with the robots? They went to war to prevent their birth in the first place. It makes much more sense that the materialists would fight both the original young race and the robot rebels.

The xenophiles probably won't care about the robots being dismantled, so as long as the biological younglings are left mostly alive there won't be any interference from them.

 

[COMPLETEWASUK 2]

My thoughts exactly, surely by their nature of opposing high end AI research their first port of call would be to destroy the robot faction and their makers not either or.

 

[EvilTom]

Why would sciencey materialists dislike robots? I would've thought it would be the spiritualists who disliked robots as abominations and playing God by creating an AI?
Unless the spiritualist worshiped a machine-god?

 

[grumphie]

Why would sciencey materialists dislike robots? I would've thought it would be the spiritualists who disliked robots as abominations and playing God by creating an AI?
Unless the spiritualist worshiped a machine-god?

it's not that they dislike them, it's that they don't want to see the galaxy engulfe in dangerous research(jump drives that tear a hole in reality, robot uprisings).

they don't mind you building robots on themselves, they mind you building robots superiour to organic beings with a dangerously advanced and free AI.

 

[Borgrabbit]

Hope there is a in-game event or strategy to make two Fallen Empire to fight each other. Thinking about all those gems in their space ships debris!!

 

[Arkangilos]

Why would sciencey materialists dislike robots? I would've thought it would be the spiritualists who disliked robots as abominations and playing God by creating an AI?
Unless the spiritualist worshiped a machine-god?

Think of them like the brotherhood of steel. They don't want anyone but themselves to possess certain knowledge because it is dangerous and they aren't mature or capable enough of dealing with that knowledge.

Or like the Vorlons that destroyed a ship because, "you are not ready for immortality."

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

so we have confirmed:
f. materialists ----> react to risky tech research
f. xenophiles ----> react to purging/genocide
f. spiritualists ----> react to landing on holly groud
f. xenophobes ----> react to colonising close to their borders

still unconfirmed + my guessess:
f. militarists ---->??? (hates those with too big fleets? dont tolerate too ambitious ones? guard the "balance of power"?)
f. pacifists ---->??? (avesion for warmongering? superweapons? orbital bombardment?) - probably some galactic peace keeping force
f. individualists ---->??? (aversion for slavery?)
f. collectivists ---->???

 

[Oscot]

Why would sciencey materialists dislike robots?

Technically it's not robots that they dislike. It's "dangerous science" in general.

Of course that still raises the question of why science-o-phile materialists hate tech MORE than science-o-phobe spiritualists. They both have one reason to dislike it - i.e. it is legitimately dangerous - but the spiritualists have a second reason, namely 'Boo, tech bad".

I suppose it must be a case that spiritualist FEs don't really care if you fuck tech up because they're all "Lol, we told you so", whereas materialists feel kinda honour-bound to prevent the besmirching of the materialist ethos through epic fails.

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

I suppose it must be a case that spiritualist FEs don't really care if you fuck tech up because they're all "Lol, we told you so", whereas materialists feel kinda honour-bound to prevent the besmirching of the materialist ethos through epic fails.

Or they just experienced traumatic AI rebellion of their own and now are insanely paranoid.

 

[Alliegorical]

still unconfirmed + my guessess:
f. militarists ---->??? (hates those with too big fleets? dont tolerate too ambitious ones? guard the "balance of power"?)
f. pacifists ---->??? (avesion for warmongering? superweapons? orbital bombardment?) - probably some galactic peace keeping force
f. individualists ---->??? (aversion for slavery?)
f. collectivists ---->???

These will not exist. Not at release, anyway.

 

[BogMod]

Technically it's not robots that they dislike. It's "dangerous science" in general.

Of course that still raises the question of why science-o-phile materialists hate tech MORE than science-o-phobe spiritualists. They both have one reason to dislike it - i.e. it is legitimately dangerous - but the spiritualists have a second reason, namely 'Boo, tech bad".

I think it isn't that they hate science at all. They just think that you can't handle it. Like giving nuclear weapons to the powers of Europe during the dark ages it just won't end well.

 

[TheGrinningMan]

Even without an explicit check to prevent it, it seems unlikely that most of the four known Fallen Empires would fight one another. Materialists exist only to prevent potentially dangerous research... but Fallen Empires do not research at all. Xenophobes despise expansion near their borders... and Fallen Empires do not expand their borders at all. Spiritualists hate it when their sacred worlds are colonized... and Fallen Empires do not colonize.

At most, a Xenophile might save a foolish lesser race from one of its kin. Even then, though, there could be some ancient peace treaty between the Fallen Empires that Xenophiles are bound to honor, meaning the most they can do is say, "if you keep on this path, they will destroy you, and we won't be able to help you."