Will the diadochi get events to go native ?

[lad]

Would the diadochi get choices to become nativist.


I would love to see s diadochi going back and trying to make himself a pharaoh like old times.

 

[Thure]

Actually the Ptolemids DID make themself Pharaohs like in old times but kept being Greek

 

[DukeDayve]

Didn't the Seleukids also sort of go native with the taking of non-Greek wives, adoption of the Persian satrapy system, same royal titles as Persians used to have, Cataphracts, stuff like that?

But yeah Ptolemies did a pretty effective job of being pharaoh to their Egyptian subjects and basileus to their Greek ones.

 

[Gurkhal]

I think the OP means that they abandon their Greek heritage for Egyptian, Persian or some other culture and so essentially disband the entire system fo a Greek ruling class. That could be cool even if I won't do it.

 

[Sarog]

Didn't the Seleukids also sort of go native with the taking of non-Greek wives, adoption of the Persian satrapy system, same royal titles as Persians used to have, Cataphracts, stuff like that?

Seleucus I was one of the few of Alexander's generals who didn't discard his Persian wife from the mass weddings at Susa, so Antiochus I was half-Persian (or half Sogdian, rather). After that though I think the dynasty mainly married other greeks.

 

[Will Steel]

Actually the Ptolemids DID make themself Pharaohs like in old times but kept being Greek

That, and also Roman Emperors beginning from Augustus also had an extra official title of "Pharaoh of Egypt", though it was extremely rare.

Emperor Decius was the first who dropped the title (which had become useless and had no political or even ceremonial meanings), and Emperor Diocletian erased it away once and for all.

EDIT: And yes, it was never used outside of official communication within Egypt province.

 

[DukeDayve]

That, and also Roman Emperors beginning from Augustus also had an extra official title of "Pharaoh of Egypt", though it was extremely rare.

Emperor Decius was the first who dropped the title (which had become useless and had no political or even ceremonial meanings), and Emperor Diocletian erased it away once and for all.

Heh, I never knew Roman emperors took the title. I figured it just disappeared when Egypt became a province.

 

[Will Steel]

Heh, I never knew Roman emperors took the title. I figured it just disappeared when Egypt became a province.

Indeed.

It was never really used outside of official communications within that province anyway. It ran contrary to the whole "I'm just the First Citizen and equal to every Roman" shtick that Augustus was running around, and also the way he created a civil war against his last rival Antony (i.e. calling him "un-Roman" for trying to hold Egyptian titles) so it was just a ceremonial title. It became meaningless formality by the time of Flavians.

It is kinda similar to how Britain used "Empire of India" as the official name of their occupied India with Victoria as "Empress"...after destroying the actual Indian empire in 1858 and jailing the last Indian emperor. Or how Napoleon had himself declared leader of many nations which he slowly annexed into France.

 

[Roxas15]

i read a paper which said that the seleucids participated at babylonian feasts and had to ask the babylonian gods for their acceptance as kings each year.
i would not want a decision to give them the opportunity to go native. i would rather have them being somewhat greek but there should be interaction with native religions and cults. i think this is something for a dlc though.

 

[Surimi]

While I'm definitely curious about whether switching religion or culture will be possible, but I actually would be perfectly fine if it wasn't and I think in the case of the Daidochi it would probably be bad from a gameplay standpoint because it would be a way of instantly overcoming their primary weakness (being foreign conquerors whose population will resent them). What reason would there be to remain Greek as Ptolemeic egypt, for example, if you can just culture flip and instantly remove all aggressive expansion unrest penalties from the population?

The Daidochi are going to be crazy strong at the start of the game. Forcing them to spend time and energy Hellenising the regions they control or else have to manage AE carefully seems like it will be a very important part of stopping them just blobbing out and absorbing all their neighbours with impunity. Plus, it would be cool to see rebellious natives rise up in these regions and establish their own states, rather than just having the Selucids just become the new Persian empire in every game.

 

[hkrommel]

If it's possible to convert to native culture (though what is "native" to the Seleucids anyways? It's a vast multicultural empire) there needs to be a reason not to do it, some benefit to staying Greek. Otherwise it's a no-brainer.