Will Sorties be Attackers or Defenders?

[Kerschey]

If you have a mountain province with a river that is being sieged, when you sortie the defending garrion's troops, will the mountain and river crossing penalties be applied to them, or to the opposing siege troops?

 

[Alblaka]

Let's first agree that any kind of river crossing penality would be horrible nonsense.
Second, I would dare to claim that even terrain penalitys wouldn'tmake much sense. After all we'renot talking about attacking army invades territory with a defending army stationed in a favourable position, but about two armies battling right next to a fort-thing.

 

[Secuter]

Let's first agree that any kind of river crossing penality would be horrible nonsense.
Second, I would dare to claim that even terrain penalitys wouldn'tmake much sense. After all we'renot talking about attacking army invades territory with a defending army stationed in a favourable position, but about two armies battling right next to a fort-thing.

Agreed. I would however like to know how such a battle will play out. Will be 9k infantry that sallies or will it more mixed, say 7 inf 2cav 1arty. Will they sally with some random commander or just leaderless?

 

[Xara]

For 10 Mil power I can't see how it would be useful for anyone playing single player vs. AI. Rarely do I ever see them carpet siege these days, and they're quick to abandon sieges to join fights. Especially for a garrison of only 1, 2, 3, 4k troops... doesn't seem likely they could achieve much.

I get the feeling it's a MP addition designed to stop people placing 1 regiment on every province to prevent recruitment while the main army performs stackwipes.

 

[spinoza013]

I'm interested in finding out if they can reinforce relieving armies.

 

[Freudia]

I would hope it's just gonna be no-terrain penalties encounters. If they're attackers with terrain penalties, then they're functionally useless. If they're defenders with terrain penalties, then they're functionally overpowered.

 

[spinoza013]

If they treat it like a reverse assault can armies outside join the sortie? Guess we'll have to wait to find out.

 

[Wizzington]

Sorties will have a special rule that lets them use the defending terrain as long as it's *only* the sortie troops (no river crossings however). If you pile in more troops to help a sortie the enemies will get the terrain bonus instead.

 

[Freudia]

Sorties will have a special rule that lets them use the defending terrain as long as it's *only* the sortie troops (no river crossings however). If you pile in more troops to help a sortie the enemies will get the terrain bonus instead.

I suppose this works. It also cements their implementation as a result of people carpet sieging with one/two-unit stacks to prevent things from being built.

 

[spinoza013]

Is the ability to sortie dependent on fortress level?

 

[Red John]

Sorties will have a special rule that lets them use the defending terrain as long as it's *only* the sortie troops (no river crossings however). If you pile in more troops to help a sortie the enemies will get the terrain bonus instead.

I apologize if you've answered this before, but will garrisons now use manpower to replenish?

Or at the very least, will damaged troops who've sortied and won require manpower to regenerate?

If not, carpet sieging is effectively dead in the early game. (Assuming AI knows how to use it)

 

[Wizzington]

I apologize if you've answered this before, but will garrisons now use manpower to replenish?

Or at the very least, will damaged troops who've sortied and won require manpower to regenerate?

If not, carpet sieging is effectively dead in the early game. (Assuming AI knows how to use it)

Garrisons do not use manpower under any circumstances.

 

[Wizzington]

Is the ability to sortie dependent on fortress level?

You can sortie from any fort, the # of troops of course depends on fort level. It's probably a bad idea to sortie from a level 1 fort under most circumstances.

 

[Darkath]

Sorties will have a special rule that lets them use the defending terrain as long as it's *only* the sortie troops (no river crossings however). If you pile in more troops to help a sortie the enemies will get the terrain bonus instead.

That's quite odd.

A besieging army should not benefit from the terrain if a sortie occurs, even if an additional army appears from behind.

I don't see how a besieging army could get in a defensive position while in a middle of a battle.

 

[Wizzington]

That's quite odd.

A besieging army should not benefit from the terrain if a sortie occurs.

It's necessary for sorties not to become the 'click 1 day before my doomstack arrives to get mountain bonus' button.

 

[Orctavius]

It's necessary for sorties not to become the 'click 1 day before my doomstack arrives to get mountain bonus' button.

Curses, foiled again!

 

[Pro]

I don't think people sieging forts should ever get terrain bonuses regardless of sorties: if you're sieging a fort you're stuck in one place and can't manuever to take advantage of terrain, and no one is going to put a fort in a position where the terrain perfectly shields a besieging army.

 

[pingouin2ter]

Really like that change and the terrain for sortie. Finally, it will make sense to have max ranks fortress on mountains. The alps will become a Nightmare.

 

[Me_]

Will it be possible to Sortie while a battle is taking place to help your forces?

 

[AKronblad]

So many questions on details...

Guys, you're eager to know how AoW will work, and that's understandable. So am I.

Some people may even want to have the announced mechanics changed from now until release...

But.. Given that it's only 18 calendar days to go until release, we can safely assume most mechanics are already set in stone and what remains needs to be allocated to polishing and bug elimination.

So can we therefore give Johan, Wiz, and the Paradox folks some relief and time to work so that they can focus on getting a nice and working AoW released on October 30th, without having to be distracted by detailed questions? (We will get all answers then, be sure.)

Please.