I get the point that you made and absurd claim with no basis whatsoever. You don't need to scream your ignorance.
Will Sevilla steer to Genoa? Isn't unhistorical?
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well, i did not want to offend your religious believes. my post was more about the practical use of income, which was not the best in the iberian nations
This thread is getting silly, Portugal desires a small nerf, If you disagree, I have already gone into long detail throughout the thread
However this is only a small nerf, is the Hansa unplayably weak because Lubeck node feeds the English Channel and they can't perfect dominate things without conquering the Netherlands and England? Portugal will still do fine, It will still likely make more money than anyone else off trade, still not have to fight any wars and only really decline if its entire Colonial Empire rebels. Its like you people think that Portugal isn't one of the most favorable start in the game, its probably still top 5 most powerful nations to start as at least
However this is only a small nerf, is the Hansa unplayably weak because Lubeck node feeds the English Channel and they can't perfect dominate things without conquering the Netherlands and England? Portugal will still do fine, It will still likely make more money than anyone else off trade, still not have to fight any wars and only really decline if its entire Colonial Empire rebels. Its like you people think that Portugal isn't one of the most favorable start in the game, its probably still top 5 most powerful nations to start as at least
What do you mean, not a practical use? +3 Tax Income and -1 Unrest is not to be underestimated.
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it was meant in real history, in the way most of the new world wealth flows out of iberian peninsula
I'm an atheist, so you'd hardly offend me about religion. But i'm portuguese. So, when you try to speak opinions or to state "facts" about other nations or people, do inform yourself to avoid such sad remarks. You're not speaking about a game anymore.
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Nerf Portugal, buff France, Castile, Aragon, Italian states. That's what Pdx made. Why? Just 'cause...
Pdx never got the Iberia Peninsula right, and every time they touch it, just make it worse.
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how are they buffing France, Castile and Aragon?
France losing its vassals is a nerf since, you can field less troops from those lands then the vassals could likely lowering there starting army size
I guess u think adding provinces is a buff when with the entire redrawing of the development means we have no clue who is getting nerfed and buffed and for all we know a new province doesn't affect the total base tax
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Nice! Just like how the Ottomans have a real incentive to take the Balkans because Constantinople trade flows into Ragusa.
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Yet somehow when the Arabs controlled the Mediterranean, it helped the Italian republics flourish.
Actually when the Arabs controlled the Mediterranean the whole coast was frequently subject to raids from saracen pirates.
It was later, after 1100, that this hegemony was broken and the mercantile republics rose.
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What ruined the Italian Republics was the portuguese trade route opened around Africa. That's why venetians, mamluks, and ottomans helped some Indian states to figth agains the portuguese.
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Sending trade from Seville to Genoa and from Bordeaux to Champagne, is a big buff for France as they can easily dominate those TN.
Actually adding new provinces does affect the total BT, but in about 10 days will have the proof of that. But adding new provinces is more that just more BT, TV, and MP. It's also about having more provinces to build armies and navies faster. Right now, if you want to build a 8k army in Portugal or a 8 vessels fleet, you'll have build more than a regiment in at least one province. That's big when you consider that this game is all about war and trade. But it's only that... Aragon is one of the dominant nations in the Genoa TN, so that's a big buff for them. And since Castile usually eats (one way or another) Aragon, they also get a big chunk of the Genoa TN. So, who in Iberia gets absolutelly zero from the new trade network? Portugal. So, Wiz states that this is done with the intention that Spain doesn't sit on their butt the whole game, but the only nation that has to move to get Genoa TN is Portugal. Nice going Wiz!
About the development i'm not pronunciating anymore. I've already stated my view in another thread.
Not really. Venice went well, trade-speaking, for another century or so after Portugal opened its alternative way around a whole continent. The Alessandria route was just too well established to change things much; it's when Venice lost its commercial bases, that Portugal came out completely on top.
Yes, and another provinces is another place to suffer unrest due to war exhaustion, the exact terrain of the province could be good or bad in war, It is another provinces to convert if religion is switched, there are literally dozen things good or bad about adding new provinces that you can't say its good or bad especially without know if its a net increase in base tax or not
If you seriously think France is buffed this patch your crazy, unlike last patch where Bordeaux was an end node literally no one could compete with them in they instead will have to either compete with the English and Dutch or the Spanish and Italians either way they are worse off trade wise
Also love how you seem to be taking these nerfs to Portugal as some kind of personal insult, or suggest that Wiz is somehow evil for having nerfed Portugal while nerfing Castile/Spain, which is nerfed by this as well, not that you care about anything other than Portugal it seems
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It wasn't right after Portugal opened the route, as Portugal took some time to gain a foothold and learn how to diplomatically affect trade in their benefit. But in the beginning of the XVI century Venice was already helping Indian allies against Portugal (the Battle of Cochin in 1509 is just one example).
Wow, now having another province might be bad because of war exhaustion? That's a first...
France is being buffed. They get part of the trade directed to the Seville node (which is the richest TN in the game, and they never had the chance to touch it), and they even get the chance to direct the Champagne TN towards Genoa and make it their trading port. Bordeaux was never that good, because all of the trade that could be directed there could also be directed to the English Channel, unlike Seville to where all trade from Asia, Africa, South America, and part of Central America, flows.
Obviously that i pay more attention when they mess up with my country. Don't you? And messing up with Portugal when they say that they only intended to affect Spain, means that they didn't pay attention or didn't weight all of the impact of that change. That's incompetence.
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Actually I don't, I could right you an entire essay about why the Great Lakes should be usable "sea zones" where ships can travel and fight sighting both examples of the lakes being used for exploration purposes via naval means as well as important battles fought on the lakes but I don't
Also, what do you think is more likely, they are intentionally nerfing Spain and Portugal but only mentioned Spain in there brief post that they didn't have to do or that they forgot that Portugal exists and nerfed it accidentally. Either way I don't get why your freaking out so much about it, its not like its some game breaking nerf to them which will make them somehow unplayable, they still have pretty much every advantage to set up a trade empire, rake in the cash and never be seriously threatened
@BFTeixeira how about you wait and play the new patch before you get to upset by this change? Also instead of making lots of consecutive post try making one larger one.
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You know the changes to Portugal are good when there's only one vocal Portuguese guy speaking out against them.
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