Will Poland ever cede Danzig?
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I've just been checking how far along this development has come for the first time in a year. This screenshot made me want to preorder instantly.
If Poland accepts the demands in 39 there may not be any war between the Axis and Allies in 1939, but either Poland becomes a vassal state ("Ally") of Germany or it will just get invaded down the line. There will definitely be a war in the East since that was Hitler's primary objective to begin with. The main frustration with not going to war is he typically only gets "part" of what he wants and thus it requires later action to achieve the true goal.
The real trick from the German perspective is to secure an invasion of Russia that doesn't expose their flank. If they have not dealt with France before going East, there is an enormous army sitting right next to them during their invasion. I might even say this scenario - where Poland capitulates and then essentially becomes a satellite of Germany without a war, is worse for Germany than what happens historically. They lack the resources, labour and logistics equipment plundered from France and the Low countries, and they launch an all out invasion with a hostile army on their exposed flank. If France and the UK join in while the Germans have to still fight in the East, that's the ultimate German nightmare.
The real trick from the German perspective is to secure an invasion of Russia that doesn't expose their flank. If they have not dealt with France before going East, there is an enormous army sitting right next to them during their invasion. I might even say this scenario - where Poland capitulates and then essentially becomes a satellite of Germany without a war, is worse for Germany than what happens historically. They lack the resources, labour and logistics equipment plundered from France and the Low countries, and they launch an all out invasion with a hostile army on their exposed flank. If France and the UK join in while the Germans have to still fight in the East, that's the ultimate German nightmare.
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But you have to see that Germany stats with an ally in the east... and, very important, the front is farther east than historically, because the Soviet Union never has the chance to annex Eastern Poland. And maybe they didn't have the chance to annex the Baltics too.
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Thats true, maybe the range advantage is enough to crush the Red Army totally, but nobody can believe the Allies (UK/France) will be sitting around and watch as the germans conquer the SU.
Who said the world tension is high enough for the democratic allies to take part in the war between the Germans and the SU? And why would they even want to intervene? The SU would love to conquer central europe as much as the German Reich wants to conquer the eastern part. The allies could let them battle it out and perhaps get rid of one of the 'evil' world powers.
Touche, if the world tension didn´t allow it, they can´t do nothing.
France and Germany are rivals since over 800 years, the UK ever wanted to keep the status quo, for their own gain naturally. Thats why both never ever let the germans become a juggernaut with approximately 200 mil. population and a gigantic industrybase.
In WW2 germany lost "only" 3-4 million soldiers on the east front, if they had won the war, they had lost fever soldiers. Germany drafted 17 million soldiers, so if germany conquered the Su, etc. and used the captured weapons to equip only 10 mill. soldiers, did you think France and Britain had a chance to stop them, from conquering France proper?
The same goes for the SU, if they conquer germany, poland, the baltic and maybe the balcan states.
an intresting scenario would be using Danzig vs Slovakia to ally with the Polish and bring the entirety of the German war machine to bear on the soviets in 1939 or 1940 while forming a non-aggression pact with the french and british. you might have to give up claims on Alsace and Lorraine but i'd be worth it to just pivot most of the military towards the west once the helpless soviets are obliterated.
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There is still a deciding factor, and this is experience. If there were no blitzkriegs in France or fighting in Poland, then how would they flesh out their strategy against the Soviets?
by doing the same exact thing thing- blitzkrieg the red army. if anything, a late 1939/early1940 barbarossa with the entire army would've done even more damage than barbarossa did historically. the soviet purges were still in full swing and the red army was without any direction. what would matter is if by the time the german army hits stalingrad, hitler orders the army to grind to a halt or keep going. which ingame would never happen. the soviets would be utterly swamped and constantly retreating and germany could be setting up puppet states in their wake.
it wouldn't really matter if the blitzkrieg concept hadn't been fully fleshed out, the soviets just had so much more going against them than the french. plus they didn't have a maginot line either.
it wouldn't really matter if the blitzkrieg concept hadn't been fully fleshed out, the soviets just had so much more going against them than the french. plus they didn't have a maginot line either.
Game wise that might work, in reality a treaty giving Germany a free hand in Russia is unacceptable to the Franco-British alliance because it's so obviously conceding total continental domination to the Germans if they can pull it off. The best way to contain Germany is simply to guarantee the Russians, or better yet signing a formal mutual defence treaty. Hitler in this scenario would simply be unwilling to declare war in the first place. The only reason historically he declared war while Britain was still in the fight was because the British were temporarily locked out of the continent, giving Hitler a 1-2 year window where the only major front would be the Russian one. Keep in mind that no M-R pact to split Poland in half and no war in the west to distract Germany means no Winter War, and therefore the significant disorganisation of the Red Army despite its paper strength is not made apparent, as it was historically.
Just remember that it seems you either get Poland or Italy and not both.
I think my strategy, if my economy can sustain it, will be to build forces and man the Polisy border, leave the Polish to their fate, then encircle and destroy the majority of Soviet troops in one big movement. Then just march east.
I think my strategy, if my economy can sustain it, will be to build forces and man the Polisy border, leave the Polish to their fate, then encircle and destroy the majority of Soviet troops in one big movement. Then just march east.
that may just be how it looks seeing as the italians and poles have nothing to do with each other.
Well since we only know that you get 5 national focus points a year and have no idea if branches are mutual exclusive it is too early to say that you can't get Italy and Poland. Even if you could its important to remember that you will have to give up something else if you try.
The only choices I interpreted as being mutually exclusive were the ones with the <!> symbol in the screenshot. So, for instance, allying China vs. Japan looks to be mutually exclusive. However, it seems that Poland v. Italy isn't mutually exclusive, but expensive to pursue both.
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I don't think there's an annual national focus point limit. Didn't the Dev Diary only state that it is likely you'll only manage to do about 5 or so a year during peacetime? Or was it during war?
Well if it is not mutually exclusive, but there is a cost, what are you willing to give up to get both Poland and Italy?
Techs? Troops? Navy? etc. etc.
So I think it will still be an one or the other situation, unless you can easily roll the AI/other player and you just do it for fun and laughs.
Techs? Troops? Navy? etc. etc.
So I think it will still be an one or the other situation, unless you can easily roll the AI/other player and you just do it for fun and laughs.
Well, you can build ships, planes and tanks even without the national focuses for it. The national focuses just give you some other bonus, but they don't give you the divisions themselve. They do help a lot when researching tech it seems, since in the DD there was this one screensho that stated that thanks to research in the SU the Germans can now develope newer tanks faster or something.
But hey, having two allies, each on a different frontline? That might be worth it.
But hey, having two allies, each on a different frontline? That might be worth it.
i am sure that there is a chance that the Poles cede Danzig...providing that the Germans jump through all the required (unknown) hoops
Yes but for this there needs to be a backup so the war can still happen (unless Paradox makes it fun to prevent the war, in which case sure. However this is anything but the case in HoI 3)
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