Since developers have been posting lately, a question on a lot of fans mind's is how oil will be represented in the game. Since it caused several campaigns and won and lost the war, everyone would like to know how it's handled.
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I am wildguessing here, but I suppose that certain provinces will have oil as their production, and the army size (or maintnance cost) will be capped by the amount of oil you produce.
I don't think we should think EU here, as the system is likely to be revised. Without oil you shouldn't be able to do anything. Not getting planes in the air, not getting tanks rolling etc. Oil was a really important strategical matter that can't be overlooked.
Just my 2 öre.
Just my 2 öre.
I guess you're maybe not very far off, just that the cap should not be on army size or maintainance cost, but rather affect movement somehow ....
Hartmann
I really hope supply routes from oil producing provinces will be necessary to get this resource. It will make the game much more strategic in scope, as well as giving sea superiority a much larger part of the game. This should of course be the same for other critical resources such as iron for instance.
Oil was the reason the German forces went into Southern Russia (instead of straight to Moscow), as well as the war in North Africa. Supply of iron ore the main reason for invading Norway. Of course it should be in the game!
Oil was the reason the German forces went into Southern Russia (instead of straight to Moscow), as well as the war in North Africa. Supply of iron ore the main reason for invading Norway. Of course it should be in the game!
Originally posted by celedhring
And toss in a synthetic oil programme while we are at it
Yes, I agree, if all other things fail, use synthetics to prolong the war...
Not North Africa. The British sometimes spoke as if there was a grand Axis strategy to march on Persia via Egypt and the Caucasus, but in reality the Germans never planned anything out like that in any systematic way. The Afrika Korps ended up in Libya/Egypt largely by accident, to prop up Italy's failed attempt to take the Nile Valley and the Suez Canal. Rommel consistently exceeded his strategic orders by taking an aggressive offensive approach. Anyway, in WWII the Middle East wasn't the oil kingdom it is today. Many of the oil resources remained unexplored or undeveloped, and even if Rommel had somehow captured them intact (an unlikely feat given the examples of Burma, Indonesia etc.) the Axis had no straightforward way of getting the oil back to mainland Europe.
I want to know as USA, will I be able to give oil to Russia and UK. I read somewhere that US provided 95% of allied Oil.
I would think the limitations of oil being reflected in the game should be a must.
It was such an integral part of WW2.
By the end German factories could not run at 100% efficiency nor the Luftwaffe fl all of its available aircraft becuse of this black gold...this Texas tea!!
It was such an integral part of WW2.
By the end German factories could not run at 100% efficiency nor the Luftwaffe fl all of its available aircraft becuse of this black gold...this Texas tea!!
Originally posted by Pwyll
I would think the limitations of oil being reflected in the game should be a must.
It was such an integral part of WW2.
By the end German factories could not run at 100% efficiency nor the Luftwaffe fl all of its available aircraft becuse of this black gold...this Texas tea!!
Its not just that, it meant that their pilots could not train - at the end of the war thousands of German fighters were sitting idle, they were produced but too few pilots existed to fly them since training had been curtailed due to lack of fuel, but that was not so critical because there was not enough fuel to fly them anyway...
If you count just the airframes the Luftwaffe was not in too bad shape, but when you look at pilots (because of fuel) and avgas supplies they were done for.
Indeed. I'd love to see a really deep implementation of resources (mainly oil), partly because no one else have actually made is before (not that I know at least) and simply because it would be great fun.
They would have used Turkey as the supply route back to Germany. There were a lot of companies in Turkey that worked as a front for the Germans. They actually used these companies to buy oil from the Middle East and shipped it back to Germany.
Even leaving aside the considerable logistical difficulties of creating a huge land-based oil supply infrastructure in wartime from scratch, there is the niggling point that the oil fields of Arabia and Persia remained largely unsurveyed and untapped in the early 1940s. You don't just summon up a petroleum industry overnight, however many Fuhrer Directives you issue. Not to mention the point that the existing facilities would have been soundly smashed up by the retreating Brits.
They wouldn´t have to waste so much time surveing since the major oilfields were surveyed and most of the oil was very easy to tap compared to other sources. And the if the German would play their cards right the locals would cooperate. And if I remember correctly there is a rail-line between Baghdad and Istanbul, maybe Hannibal can get us a link. There is also a possibility to capture the oilfields in a paradrop and thus hinder the Brits from smashing them up.
There is also a possibility to capture the oilfields in a paradrop and thus hinder the Brits from smashing them up.
OK, the Germans could have gotten a little oil from the Middle East. But how much, compared to the really developed regions in Romania and the Caucasus? It should be pretty easy to see how much was produced in the period.