Will I leave the HRE if Poland moves capital to Warsaw?

[pgroves]

Hi - I'm playing Poland in a 1444 start ironman game, I managed to add Krakow to the HRE near the game start, and as it's my capital, Poland joined the HRE and so I get the benefit of -10% Tech/Stability costs etc. No other Polish provinces are in the HRE. I've now diplo-annexed Masovia - if I move my capital to Warsaw, will I have to leave the HRE? My relations with Austria now suck and my relations with the electors are not good enough (yet) to become Emperor myself, so I won't be able to add Warsaw to the HRE for while. If this would result in me leaving the HRE, I think I would be better leaving my capital in Krakow, to benefit from the HRE tech bonuses, until I can become Emperor. NB: I intend to stay Eastern Tech.

 

[Krilnik]

Don't move it until you become Emperor, you will leave HRE if you move it
Stil, Krakow is a better province then Warsaw so I don't see any reason for moving the capital anyways..Only if you need 100 prestige which is useful when westernizing
But I have to tell you to reconsider your plan of not westernizing..Because when you become Emperor, you will lose Imperial Integrity bonus, only members get it, and you will fall back horribly in tech..Well maybe not in tech itself, but your units will be way more weaker then Western ones, and Russia will be a problem too.

So I recommend you to westernize.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

Just add two more provinces to the empire so Warsaw is a part of it as well. When you're already a member you don't need relations anymore so your size doesn't matter.

 

[Krilnik]

Just add two more provinces to the empire so Warsaw is a part of it as well. When you're already a member you don't need relations anymore so your size doesn't matter.

Relations are still needed, but size doesn't matter.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

Relations are still needed, but size doesn't matter.

How much relations do you need then? Because I could do it fine as Poland even after Austria had turned from ally to rival.

 

[Krilnik]

How much relations do you need then? Because I could do it fine as Poland even after Austria had turned from ally to rival.

I played recently as Poland and I needed 100 relations to continue adding my territory to HRE even though my capital was added
So 190 is required for capital, 100 is required after capital is added

 

[blackchoas]

Isn't there a rule that stops you from moving your capital in or out of the HRE?

Otherwise couldn't Venise or Burgundy just change their capital to a province inside the HRE and join while skipping the relationship with Austria

 

[Krilnik]

Isn't there a rule that stops you from moving your capital in or out of the HRE?

Otherwise couldn't Venise or Burgundy just change their capital to a province inside the HRE and join while skipping the relationship with Austria

There is a decision for Poland to move capital..You can move it like that

 

[wolfing]

Don't move it until you become Emperor, you will leave HRE if you move it
Stil, Krakow is a better province then Warsaw so I don't see any reason for moving the capital anyways..Only if you need 100 prestige which is useful when westernizing
But I have to tell you to reconsider your plan of not westernizing..Because when you become Emperor, you will lose Imperial Integrity bonus, only members get it, and you will fall back horribly in tech..Well maybe not in tech itself, but your units will be way more weaker then Western ones, and Russia will be a problem too.

So I recommend you to westernize.

Nah, as Eastern you really don't need to westernize. The difference in units is not a problem since you're a major blob at that point. I never westernize as eastern.

 

[pgroves]

Actually, you won't leave the HRE if you move your capital to Warsaw. I'm currently playing a Poland game myself, and came across this. Warsaw simply becomes part of the HRE if you take the decision, even if there are no adjacent HRE provinces.

Oh really? I might do it then, but hold off until I need the prestige. BTW if I'm not Emperor (which I might not go for, to keep the tech bonuses), is it best not to add more of my provinces to the HRE, to stop Austria reforming the HRE too fast?

 

[HandofBane]

Confirming what Sylon said - using the decision to change capital to Warsaw will not remove you from the HRE. As far as your other question, do not add anything else to the Empire until you become Emperor (assuming you want to). There is really one main reason not to try to become Emperor, but maintain your power and keep the whole mess destabilized: to keep the Imperial Integrity bonus. Once you become Emperor, you lose that, replaced by the other Emperor manpower/forcelimit bonuses.

 

[pgroves]

Confirming what Sylon said - using the decision to change capital to Warsaw will not remove you from the HRE. As far as your other question, do not add anything else to the Empire until you become Emperor (assuming you want to). There is really one main reason not to try to become Emperor, but maintain your power and keep the whole mess destabilized: to keep the Imperial Integrity bonus. Once you become Emperor, you lose that, replaced by the other Emperor manpower/forcelimit bonuses.

Yeah, I'm in 2 minds whether to become emperor or not. Just recent became Curia Controller, though

 

[Roelath]

Once they fix Westernization so it isn't as poorly designed... Poland is going to be a beast.