Will I inherit?

[feelotraveller]

I have a game where I am close to an intruiging potential inheritance situation. I ask because it probably won't actually get resolved in the game as I need a ninja (and successful assassination) or a timely death, plus the birth of a son to one of my childless wives. But I'd love to know the answer.

I married a good woman of the So clan because of her brilliant stats. Later in the game I happened to be checking out her clan, they start on the island off the West coast of Kyushu. They have just the one kori, and it's a kuni as well. So their clan leader holds one kokujin title and one daimyo title. He has no male children. He has three daughters. The eldest has no children, I am married to the second eldest, and the third daughter is married to their master of ceremonies and has a son.

Assuming that my wife does bear me a son in time (and that the eldest daughter does not have a son) my undertanding is that when the current So leader dies the clan leader title will go to the son of the third daughter (as he is of the So clan) through election but that the daimyo and kokujin titles will pass to my son through direct inheritance.

Have I got that much right?

Assuming so, if the new So leader had held any other landed title then my son would become his vassal, holding the kokujin and daimyo titles he inherited. But since the 'new leader' actually won't have a title what happens? My son gets the titles, becomes my vassal and the So clan ends (except for forming his court)? My son becomes the leader of So clan (but he can't, can he, since he is not So)? The game goes weird and creates a second (and distinct) Nanbu clan with my son as clan leader? The game goes 'whiz, bang, pop' decides it's all too hard and crashes? (Joking...)

Love to hear what you think.

 

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Assuming so, if the new So leader had held any other landed title then my son would become his vassal, holding the kokujin and daimyo titles he inherited. But since the 'new leader' actually won't have a title what happens? My son gets the titles, becomes my vassal and the So clan ends (except for forming his court)? My son becomes the leader of So clan (but he can't, can he, since he is not So)? The game goes weird and creates a second (and distinct) Nanbu clan with my son as clan leader? The game goes 'whiz, bang, pop' decides it's all too hard and crashes? (Joking...)

Love to hear what you think.

What I think:

-vassal title is the result of granting a fief to a person.
So as long as no one grants this to your son, he wont be a vassal to anyone.

-your son will hold the heir title by birth right to both the So clan (if he is the heir of the So clan) and your clan (if he is the legitimate heir to your clan)

-if the So leader dies, he will inherit all so titles. You can make a vassal of a clan leader so until he inherits from your clan, he will hold all titles.

-when you die, at this point, it will be interesting to know. Maybe the title of So clan leader is erased in favour of Nanku as the So lineage no longer exist or they exist simulaneously. As you can vassalize clan leaders and that you can absorb lineages by using women or yourself, the situation is expected to happen and therefore probably was planned.

-Maybe, as a clan leader, the So leader could vassalize your son by giving him the title of Daimyo and the land going with it. Do clan leader have to own land to be clan leader? Probably, at least one province.

In all cases, I think your son will inherit all, without causing a divide within the clan.