Like many others said I will not buy this game unless I can install, play & patch it without using Steam - but if a Steam/DRM-free version is available I will preorder it as soon as available.
Will I be able to play this game without a Steam account?
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You can give as many reasons as you want to go with the monopolist. He might have the best service record now but once he is on the top and the competition is gotten rid of there is no reason at all to start milking the product, game studios and customers for it.
Many people posting in here seem to have forgotten the poor = late patching of many paradox games on steam. The issues people with steam based games face to play with non-steam users. The issues that arise when it comes down to modding/changing game files.
Surely there are workarounds to many of these concerns. Workarounds as in: you as customer have to work/pay for them. But as you have read here, not everyone can go that route. So why as a game studio shoot yourself in the foot and limit yourself to one shop? In case allegedly 80% of the customers buy there you can afford to loose some good parts of the remaining 20% just to save money on another installer?
Many people posting in here seem to have forgotten the poor = late patching of many paradox games on steam. The issues people with steam based games face to play with non-steam users. The issues that arise when it comes down to modding/changing game files.
Surely there are workarounds to many of these concerns. Workarounds as in: you as customer have to work/pay for them. But as you have read here, not everyone can go that route. So why as a game studio shoot yourself in the foot and limit yourself to one shop? In case allegedly 80% of the customers buy there you can afford to loose some good parts of the remaining 20% just to save money on another installer?
Well, at least in Germany these EULAs are null and void anyway, probably also in other countries.
For one thing, a German court has decided that if you buy software you don't conclude a licensing contract but a buying contract. But an EULA can only be read after you have actually bought the game. So an EULA is a condition which you would have to agree without even being able to read it - a buying contract is finished as soon as the merchandise and the money has been exchanged. Obviously it isn't allowed to include clauses in the buying contract which only one of the two contract partners knows, so EULAs are simply null and void.
Just because they are part of every software it doesn't make them legal.
That isn't comprehensively applicable to what some folks want. They can require Steam to play if it's present on the box. It doesn't even have to specify Steam. The German ruling is based on the issue of ignorance, and the product can provide the information required to restrict your use during purchase; furthermore, voiding the EULA doesn't make the software your property. It merely shields you from any extra invasive or prohibitive measures the EULA allegedly allows the company beyond the scope of the laws of the country.
You still don't have the right to copy and paste the software endlessly for personal profit. That's theft, even in Germany. PearC, maker of non-apple hardware OSX machines still has to buy their OSX licenses from Apple. Installing OSX on non-apple hardware is forbidden via the EULA, but the German law will likely shield them from any recourse on Apple's part, at least within Germany. They sell to people in France, and if France isn't on the same page as Germany Apple may be able to get an injunction there. And if Apple loses enough of their hardware business in Germany they could stop selling software licenses to German companies entirely, but I doubt they ever would. You do have the right to re-sell the storage medium the software is contained on, so long as you're not using the contents concurrently with the new owner.
This is a pretty confined legal issue that doesn't strip most software companies of any real power, even within Germany. It's strength is in shielding Germans from the invasive clauses of an EULA, as it was intended. Most EULAs are butt-covering nonsense that have little power beyond being able to cut off customers at any time. They mostly exist to prevent issues of liability from arising, and protect the company from improper applications of their software by their customers.
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That is because of us not supporting the steam version that well. From now on, the steam version is the standard version that will be the baseline.
I'm happy with that. I imagine that means beta patches are for steam only, while other version will have to wait for the full patch (followed by a week or so wait for that to transition from steam to non-steam).
Will it just need it for patches or for everything? If you have the option of not installing it or having to use if it your ok not getting patches then theres no problem, well no massive problem.
If you need it for the game to install or run, then i know and most of the people i know, cant use your product at all.
I missed quite a few games, because I refuse to buy games which need to be "activated" or "licensed" online.
And I wont make an exception for CK2 (or future titles), as thrilled as I am for this game.
It's a pity though, cause I really liked Pdox games.
And I wont make an exception for CK2 (or future titles), as thrilled as I am for this game.
It's a pity though, cause I really liked Pdox games.
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But you do have Victoria 2, Sengoku and Eu3, all of who needs to be activated online here..
You need it for install and patches, that has been the word. You can play offline without Steam running at all.
how is that anyway comparable? On each computer do you need to connect to the internet? No, the computer has V2 and Eu3 on it has never been on the internet nor ever could so i know thats not true. The game doesnt need to be activated, it needs to be registered which is in no way comparable to needing to be activated by a Steam client.
No you register once, and you dont even have to do that if you dont mind not getting mods or patches. Its going onto an internet site and filling out a form in two seconds, not using an intrusive and restrictive client.
Will you need to install Steam to install or run CK2 at all? Or will you be able to run it without every having to use steam even once?
You CANT play without Steam if you cant install without Steam, the funny thing about computer games is you cant play them if they havent been installed. So if you cant use Steam means that you cant Install it how exactly do you play it without Steam?
Why need it for install? for patches make alittle sense as they come off the internet, but if you didnt buy it off steam why make the game uninstallable for people without steam?
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It would not be a Steam game if you would not need Steam when you install it would it? You need Steam to install and patching as stated several times. Not for running the game.
You cant run the game without installing it. So it needs you to have had steam on your computer to run it. So it needs steam to RUN. So if you cant use Steam you cant run it. That is needing it to run. Not needing Steam to run it is the exact opposite, thats where you can run it without having steam.
What you mean is you can run it without steam running at the moment your running it but you still need to have had steam to run so you cant run it without Steam.
If it doesnt need it to 'run' then theres no reason to need it to install. Give people the option of not using it, and then they can still use your game. rather than just giving us the option of not buying it. Making it impossible to people to use things is a sure way to get them to buy it after all.
The key point you are ignoring is you can download the game from your net cafe or where ever you dl your gg games(hint install steam on a flash drive or copy pastr the install onto a flash drive) and you can copy the game ANYWHERE and it will play
You can install the game move the game in another location uninstall steam and play the game as much as you like. So it doesn't need Steam to run as you try to claim it does. I'm saying exatly what I'm saying you are just twisting what I say so your point would be somehow valid. That it really isn't. This is anyway getting ridiculous so I'm not caring much what you do from now on as your posts just get more sillier on every post you make.
How?
Can you install steam without the internet? Previous expriments people i know have made have shown no, you cant install anything with steam if the steam client isnt up to date and isnt on the internet. Thats what the people at EB games tell you, thats what everyone i know who has tried and failed has come across.
If you buy it on a cd, why cant you just install it off the cd and play it, like all other paradox games. Without the internet every becoming involved?
You should be able to play it without Steam running. You need Steam for intallation and patches. And you should be able to copy the folder elsewhere and play there after you first have installed it using Steam.
Point of accuracy: No. they don't. They only have to be registered here if the owner of the game wants to access the subforums (and get the nice little icon).
I'm fairly sure I recall a post by an officer of the company to that effect some time before, actually.
now your spouting anti DD you can delay steam client updates i do
A heads up you will see a reduction of cd distrobution
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And play multiplayer OR get achievements OR get support help from us.
The guy said he refused to buy games that require activation... to get techical suuport the guy has activated on the paradox forums.. johan was pointing out the hypocritical stance
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